GOP Delegates: Purple Heart = Band-Aid

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GOP Delegates: Purple Heart = Band-Aid

Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:56 am

The latest right-wing fashion accessory. I guess having shrapnel embedded in your leg for 35 years isn't good enough for these people.

They'd rather have the one that used connections to jump the NG waiting list and then not show up. That's real character.

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Delegates mock Kerry with 'purple heart' bandages
Democrats: GOP 'mocking our troops'
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 Posted: 1:42 AM EDT (0542 GMT)

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CNN's Dan Lothian holds one of the "purple heart" bandages.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Delegates to the Republican National Convention found a new way to take a jab at Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's Vietnam service record: by sporting adhesive bandages with small purple hearts on them.

Morton Blackwell, a prominent Virginia delegate, has been handing out the heart-covered bandages to delegates, who've worn them on their chins, cheeks, the backs of their hands and other places.

Blackwell is president of the Leadership Institute, a nonpartisan educational foundation he founded in 1979. According to its Web site, the institute prepares conservatives for success in politics, government and the news media.

Kerry was a decorated Navy officer in Vietnam who became a prominent antiwar activist upon his return home. A group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has accused Kerry of lying to win combat decorations in Vietnam, including the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.

And last week, former Sen. Bob Dole, the party's 1996 presidential nominee, brought more attention to the allegations when he told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "With three Purple Hearts, he never bled that I know of. And they're all superficial wounds."

Dole apologized for the remark the next day after a personal call from Kerry, saying that before taping the interview, "maybe I should have stayed longer for brunch somewhere."

Donna Cain, an Oregon delegate, wore a purple heart bandage on her wrist.

"Probably a lot of people are handing them out because they are very symbolic," she said. Kerry, she said, "has made the war that he served in far more important than his recent records of the last 18 to 20 years."

Kerry's campaign has denounced the allegations as a smear.

Other veterans and military records from the time have contradicted the swift boat group's allegations.

Kerry's campaign quickly responded to the purple heart bandages, saying the Republicans are "mocking our troops."

"The smear continues on the floor of Madison Square Garden," a Kerry campaign statement trumpeted.

But Cain said she didn't see the bandage as a jab at U.S. troops who have been wounded in combat -- more than 6,000 of them so far in the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"It is not in any way defaming of them, because I know people who have received Purple Hearts and I know that they're not boasting about their war record. They're proud of their serving their country. And, I mean, I just met a woman who lost her husband yesterday in Iraq. And there's a whole entirely different mood."

Pat Peel, the delegate singled out in the Democratic response, promised that there would be many more purple heart bandages on the floor Tuesday.

Dole was sharply criticized by Kerry backers when he questioned whether Kerry's wounds were severe enough to merit a Purple Heart. He said Monday night that "you can't control delegates."

"I'm certain there's no possible connection" between the Bush campaign or Republican leaders and the bandages sported Monday night, he said.

"The last thing President Bush or anybody in the campaign wants to do is stir this up."

The military makes no distinction about the severity of a wound when setting the standards for a Purple Heart.

Although he was grievously wounded in a later battle, Dole wrote in a 1988 biography that the first of his two Purple Hearts was the kind of wound the Army treated "with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart."

Kerry has called on President Bush to denounce the swift boat veterans' ads. Bush has responded by calling for an end to all attack ads by independent groups but has not specifically criticized the anti-Kerry commercials.

Kerry accuses the group -- funded largely by Republican donors from Bush's home state of Texas -- of being a front group for the president's re-election campaign.

Republicans say Bush has been unfairly attacked by Kerry allies who have questioned whether Bush completed his Vietnam-era service in the Air National Guard. Kerry's spokesmen say their candidate has disavowed those ads.
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:30 am

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I hate to repeat myself, but...

These jerks are mocking a war veteran for not bleeding enough in combat. I mean, Christ, how low is that? Is there *any* excuse for that? Are these people amoral, evil, insane or just infinitely stupid?

Only the Republicans could elevate a ticket with two draft-dodgers to moral superiority over a decorated vet on the issue of military service.

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Postby Matt » Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:51 am

Why doesn't Kerry, the 4 month war hero, release his medical records? I am sure that none of the Purple Hearts he earned were self inflicted or in any way bogus. What does he have to hide?

So now Bush is a draft dodger? :lol:
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Postby lukpac » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:20 pm

Matt wrote:Why doesn't Kerry, the 4 month war hero, release his medical records? I am sure that none of the Purple Hearts he earned were self inflicted or in any way bogus. What does he have to hide?


What do his purple hearts have to do with anything? Would he somehow be "more better" if he was more seriously hurt? Would he be "less good" if he hadn't gotten wounded at all (and hadn't gotten any medals)?

Last I checked, Kerry served in Vietnam 4 more months than Bush. I'm not voting for Kerry because he did that (and I'm not *not* voting for Bush because he didn't), but it's insane to call Kerry over how hurt he may have been in Vietnam when Bush wasn't there at all.

So now Bush is a draft dodger? :lol:


Since about 1968, yeah. And that's news to you?
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Postby Matt » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:35 pm

What do his purple hearts have to do with anything? Would he somehow be "more better" if he was more seriously hurt? Would he be "less good" if he hadn't gotten wounded at all (and hadn't gotten any medals)?


When Kerry is praised as a war hero the Purple Hearts come in to play. Kerry is going to be criticized about them from opposition no matter what. Why not release the records and get this over with?

Since about 1968, yeah. And that's news to you?


It is news to me. The last I heard the left claimed that he was AWOL which would imply he was a member of the military. I assume now the claims are that he enlisted with the National Guard to somehow avert going to Vietnam?
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:42 pm

There are no requirements on the severity of a wound for a Purple Heart. If you want to argue the merit of the system for awarding them, that's fine, but it has nothing to do with Kerry. And I guess you'll have to dispute the system for awarding Bronze and Silver Stars, too.

Marching down that road, you're basically saying that John Kerry single-handedly corrupted the entire military chain of command in order to get a few medals he didn't earn? That's a position I guess you can take, but it seems like a clear violation of Occam's Razor to me.

4 month war hero


Four months on the swift boat. Seven additional months on a ship in the Gulf of Tonkin. Four years active duty.

Not that it's relevant. One day of combat is enough, arguably too much. I guess all the guys who died on D-Day after less than one day of combat were a bunch of pussies?

I am sure that none of the Purple Hearts he earned were self inflicted or in any way bogus.


Self-inflicted? Are you saying Kerry shot himself to get a Purple Heart?

So now Bush is a draft dodger?


Of course he is. Let's let Bush himself speak to the issue:

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."


He wanted to avoid active service. He didn't want to wound himself or go to Canada. So he went into the Guard (with a little help from his family lawyer and Texas House speaker Ben Barnes). Do you think for a minute that he would have joined the Guard if there wasn't a draft? Of course not. He joined the Guard to avoid getting drafted. He dodged the draft, plain and simple. Same as Bill Clinton (who didn't join the Guard but did everything else), same as Dan Quayle (whose record is similar to Bush's, except he actually showed up).

Now, I'm not going to fault him for doing that. I have no problem with draft-dodgers -- I would have done the same in his position. However, I do fault him for:

- Supporting the war while actively avoiding fighting in it
- Not showing up for NG duty for months at a time
- Losing flight status by not showing up for a physical after the taxpayers paid for his training
- Condoning criticism of the decorations of someone who volunteered to serve

Face it, at root all this Swift Boat Vets nonsense is all about them not liking Kerry for protesting against the war when he got back. That's fine -- that's a perfectly legitimate thing to attack Kerry for. But this "he didn't bleed enough" bullshit is repulsive. Bush can show real leadership by calling a halt to it (like Dukakis did when he rejected very similar criticism of Bush Sr.'s war record during the '88 election) without wishy-washy evasions about 527 groups. Will he? We'll see.

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:54 pm

When Kerry is praised as a war hero the Purple Hearts come in to play. Kerry is going to be criticized about them from opposition no matter what.


Funny, I don't recall anyone criticizing Bob Dole in '92 for the first Purple Heart he got, one that he himself says was for a minor wound. So only Democrats get their medals questioned? Or only Bush is sleazy enough to do it? I'm betting on the latter, considering he was also sleazy enough to attack John McCain's war record in 2000.

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Postby Xenu » Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:56 pm

Additionally, the idea that Kerry manipulated the chain of command in Vietnam in order to receive medals to further a future political career...I dunno. It's a prevalent view in some places (coughwcfcough), but it doesn't seem all that sensible to me. See, the Vietnam war *wasn't very popular with many of da peoplez*. So you're a decorated Vietnam vet. In the late seventies, who cares?
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Postby Patrick M » Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:08 pm

Keep in mind that Wes Clark begged Clinton for his fourth star, at least according to Robert Novak.

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:18 pm

at least according to Robert Novak


Columnist Has Ties to Anti-Kerry Book
By JACQUES STEINBERG

Published: August 30, 2004

Among the stoutest defenders of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," the best-selling book arguing that Mr. Kerry lied about his record of service in Vietnam, is the columnist Robert Novak.

In his syndicated columns and on the CNN program "Crossfire," Mr. Novak has lauded the book and referred to veterans who criticize Mr. Kerry - most notably John E. O'Neill, the book's co-author - as "real patriots."

Unmentioned in Mr. Novak's columns and television appearances, however, is a personal connection he has to the book: his son, Alex Novak, is the director of marketing for its publisher, the conservative publishing house Regnery.

In a telephone interview, Robert Novak said he saw no need to disclose the link.

"I don't think it's relevant," he said.

"I'm just functioning as a columnist with a point of view, and a strong point of view," he added.
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Postby Matt » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:58 pm

There are no requirements on the severity of a wound for a Purple Heart. If you want to argue the merit of the system for awarding them, that's fine, but it has nothing to do with Kerry. And I guess you'll have to dispute the system for awarding Bronze and Silver Stars, too.


I would question a man's motives for accepting a Purple Heart for superficial or extremely minor wounds. If the wound is not from enemy fire it is not eligible either.

Why not release the medical records and put an end to this now :?:

Four months on the swift boat. Seven additional months on a ship in the Gulf of Tonkin. Four years active duty.


Four months in combat situations. And a Christmas in Cambodia, or make that Sa Dec. Three Purple Hearts and you can get out of combat.

I guess all the guys who died on D-Day after less than one day of combat were a bunch of pussies?


Hardly, there is no way to misrepresent death. There is no question that getting three Purple Hearts is a better way to get out of combat.

Self-inflicted? Are you saying Kerry shot himself to get a Purple Heart?


No, but perhaps accidental.

Same as Bill Clinton(who didn't join the Guard but did everything else)


Not sure I follow you. Clinton dodged the draft and evaded any military service.
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Postby Matt » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:03 pm

Rspaight wrote:Funny, I don't recall anyone criticizing Bob Dole in '92 for the first Purple Heart he got, one that he himself says was for a minor wound. So only Democrats get their medals questioned? Or only Bush is sleazy enough to do it? I'm betting on the latter, considering he was also sleazy enough to attack John McCain's war record in 2000.


Did he get three Purple Hearts and a ticket out of combat?

I was unaware Bush attacked McCain's war record.
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:48 pm

Matt wrote:I would question a man's motives for accepting a Purple Heart for superficial or extremely minor wounds.


It's not common practice to reject military decorations. Bob Dole accepted a Purple Heart for a minor wound -- is he a fraud, too? Thousands of soldiers have -- are they all frauds?

If the wound is not from enemy fire it is not eligible either.


Not true.

Three Purple Hearts and you can get out of combat.


Yep, that's the rule.

Hardly, there is no way to misrepresent death.


So the only way for you not to suspect Kerry of tricking the entire Navy into giving him medals is for him to have died?

There is no question that getting three Purple Hearts is a better way to get out of combat.


If Kerry was so eager to get out of combat, why did he volunteer for it? Why not dodge the draft like Bush and Clinton, or rack up endless deferments like Cheney?

No, but perhaps accidental.


As long as it's in a combat situation, accidental self-inflicted injuries qualify for a Purple Heart. (See above.) So if you're implying that Kerry got an undeserved Purple Heart for a self-inflicted injury, you therefore must be implying that he deliberately injured himself.

Not sure I follow you. Clinton dodged the draft and evaded any military service.


Correct. About the only trick he *didn't* pull to get out of combat was to join the Guard. (And some say he had a slot in the naval reserves lined up in case he drew a bad lottery number.) Joining the Guard was a common way at the time to evade Vietnam duty.

Did he get three Purple Hearts and a ticket out of combat?


No, he went home after being greviously injured in a subsequent battle.

I find it somewhat astonishing that you seem to feel that getting three Purple Hearts in armed combat is some sort of wimp-out.

I was unaware Bush attacked McCain's war record.


IIRC, his campaign strongly implied that McCain was not "stable" enough to govern reliably after spending so much time as a POW, and that he had spilled state secrets to the Vietnamese during his captivity. Unrelated to the war, they also spread a smear campaign implying that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was an illegitimate black child, which by all accounts lost McCain the South Carolina primary and probably the nomination.

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Postby Patrick M » Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:56 pm

Rspaight wrote:IIRC, his campaign strongly implied that McCain was not "stable" enough to govern reliably after spending so much time as a POW, and that he had spilled state secrets to the Vietnamese during his captivity. Unrelated to the war, they also spread a smear campaign implying that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was an illegitimate black child, which by all accounts lost McCain the South Carolina primary and probably the nomination.

I realize McCain is just going along with the party, but it must hard as hell for him to endorse Bush.

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Postby Dob » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:28 pm

Patrick M wrote:I realize McCain is just going along with the party, but it must hard as hell for him to endorse Bush.

What's odd about things like this is that they happen all the time in (partisan) politics and no one bats an eye.

Why should I (or anyone) get all worked up about "smear" tactics - or even outright lies - when 4 years (or whatever) from now, the politicians involved obviously shrug it off as "just business"? Maybe they even shrug it off as it's happening...though publicly they may seethe with righteous indignation. Makes it kinda hard to take campaigns seriously.
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