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Postby TSmithPage » Thu May 13, 2004 12:58 pm

lukpac wrote:How about:

"Kerry will let the UN protect the United States. If we count on them, get ready for your wife's and daughter's to cover their face because the UN without a strong US and UK military will lay down like a whipped dog and give in to these terrorists pigs."


I couldn't let that aburdity pass without responding.

http://www.wildcatfaithful.com/vbulleti ... adid=50587

So far, of course, no response. Kind of like the posting on George Will's recent column about Rumsfield. When they don't have a standard target to attack using the same tired rationales, these guys don't know how to respond.

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Postby Xenu » Thu May 13, 2004 1:07 pm

I'd like to note that "Catraker"'s three standard responses are as follows (Luke, get ready to be pissed off):


a) Libs libs dems dems nazis!

b) Iraq was involved in 911! We're getting information about this daily!

c) Iraq has WMD's! We're getting positive information about this daily!

...

Wow.

Additionally, post Berg's death there were all of these wonderful posts baiting the liberals on the forum to "show outrage." On a fairly basic level, this is absurd ("CONFIRM YOU ARE HUMAN, STUPID ANDROID! SHOW EMOTION!") but on another, it's fairly indicative of the varying ways people go about reacting to these events. The watchmen in question were expecting everyone to have the same reaction they did: Shit, them A-rabs are right fucks, this confirms their inhumanity, let's kill them all. When the liberals/moderrates/anybody who's measured and isn't a fanatic, really didn't immediately start threads registering "outrage" tantamount to the sentiment expressed when the prison photos were leaked, the declarations of treason and you're-no-better-than-those-lawless-Iraqis began to fly. Joy.
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Postby lukpac » Thu May 13, 2004 2:36 pm

TSmithPage wrote:So far, of course, no response.


You got two hits:

"I would feel safer with Britney Spears as President than I would with Kerry."

and

"That might be a far better choice, at least she understand basic economics and knows why a good defense is necessary when danger looms close by......she has a black belt....lol"
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Postby Rspaight » Thu May 13, 2004 3:34 pm

These yokels are the reason Bush's approval rating will never go below 40%. They don't think, they just spew talking points. It's not that they have the wrong facts, it's that to them facts are meaningless.

If Rush tells them that Kerry's a weak-on-defense flip-flopper, then he is. Rush could say that pork products prevent prostate cancer, and these guys would be shoving sausages up their butts.

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Postby lukpac » Thu May 13, 2004 4:04 pm

Xenu wrote:a) Libs libs dems dems nazis!


To that I say...:

A label Kerry should be proud of
By Renee Loth | May 11, 2004

REPUBLICANS picked the wrong lattesipper when they tried to run Howard Dean and his ‘‘liberal freak show’’ out of Iowa on a rail. Instead they got John Kerry, the duck-hunting, affirmative-actiondebunking, gay marriage-opposing war hero determined not to let the opposition pin the ‘‘Massachusetts liberal’’ label on hisNavy blues.

Kerry’s long-awaited campaign ads, unveiled last week and intended to blunt the thrashing he is taking from the Bush campaign in the battleground states, highlight his years as a ‘‘tough prosecutor,’’ his support for victims’ rights and a balanced budget, and, of course, his military achievements. He leaves it up to the women in his life—wife Teresa and daughter Vanessa—to utter L-words like ‘‘generous’’ and ‘‘heart.’’

At a luncheon of the American Society ofNewspaper Editors inWashington last month, Kerry was asked by a sympathetic woman from a Southern newspaper whether his campaign might finally help rehabilitate liberalism’s good name. Kerry was having none of it. ‘‘I think the American people are looking for something different’’ from the traditional liberal and conservative monikers, he said. He declared it is a mistake to ‘‘waste time with phony labels.’’ So allow me.

Webster’s New World Dictionary labels liberal as ‘‘tolerant of views differing from one’s own; broad-minded.’’ And ‘‘favoring reform or progress, as in education, religion, etc; specifically favoring political reforms tending toward democracy and personal freedom for the individual; progressive.’’ And ‘‘giving freely; generous.’’

Wow. Who knew Webster drove a Volvo?

Seen in this light, liberalism—even the Massachusetts variety—doesn’t seem quite the benighted political philosophy the Republicans would have us believe. Liberalism has been bashed so energetically for so long that many have internalized the message. But what is so bad about being a Massachusetts liberal, really? I rather like living in a state that doesn’t tax groceries. Where there is free universal immunization for children. Where the infant mortality rate is lower than Denmark’s.

Massachusetts liberals opened the first public school, the first public libraries, and the first public transit system in the nation.We like our polity public. Public parks, not two-acre private yards ringed with no trespassing signs. Public hospitals, not private boutique medicine for the rich and the free care pool for everyone else. Public debate, not private deals behind committee room doors.

Liberals who live in Massachusetts cherish civic participation, historic preservation, and environmental conservation. We have fostered revolution, abolition, suffrage, and the political empowerment of immigrants, whether Irish or Cape Verdean.

Without much in the way of natural resources, we treasure our state’s glorious human resource and don’t believe that the potential of any individual should go unrealized. That means keeping faith with children, the sick, the aged, and people who find themselves caught in a vise of drug addiction, homelessness, or poverty.

Almost 20 years of derision and Limbaugh-ism notwithstanding, we refuse to consider those ideas corny or quaint or uncool.

Of all the definitions inWebster’s dictionary, only one could be said to be unflattering: ‘‘excessively free or indecorous in behavior; licentious.’’

That’s the image Kerry’s opponents want to hammer into red state America: that people in Massachusetts are all a bunch of immoral swingers, squishy about our ethics, with no spine or stomach for personal responsibilty. Liberal— as in libertine.

I don’t recognize myself in that caricature, and I don’t think people in this state should stand still for it. I know there’s not much call for those ‘‘proud to be a liberal’’ bumper stickers anymore. There’s not enough room on the back of Kerry’s Harley, and it doesn’t really fit on the ‘‘family’’ SUV, either.

But the Massachusetts I know—inventive, caring, educated, diverse— proves it is possible to have both a bleeding heart and a working brain. So bring on the limousines, the brie and chablis, and NPR. All things considered, it’s good to live in the state where the revolutions start.

Renee Loth is editor of the editorial page. Her e-mail address is loth@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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Postby Patrick M » Fri May 14, 2004 3:02 am

Rspaight wrote:These yokels are the reason Bush's approval rating will never go below 40%.

These yokels are the reasons Bush's approval rating is around 15% higher in this state than it is the nation.

Rush could say that pork products prevent prostate cancer, and these guys would be shoving sausages up their butts.

Would they then defecate out their mouths?

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Postby Rspaight » Fri May 14, 2004 8:14 am

Would they then defecate out their mouths?


Oh, that's too easy, even for me.

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Postby TSmithPage » Fri May 14, 2004 8:53 am

One of the "liberal" stalwarts there, Buddah, called my response "post of the year." Oh well, I guess I've been outed as one of those damn libs...