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Postby Patrick M » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:39 pm

Rspaight wrote:BOB DYLAN SACD SHOOTOUT
Part Five - Nashville Skyline (delaying JWH in case I meet up with Patrick and get access to vinyl)

My only copy of JWH came from the old "free pile" at Bear's Wax. If it looked unplayable, I wouldn't have picked it up, but I'm not sure how clean it's going to be.

I need to check over my stash and see what I have that would be of use to you.

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Postby Rspaight » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:45 pm

Sigh. Bear's Wax.

Going there was always an adventure, because you never knew what kind of mood Chris ("Bear") was going to be in. One day, he'd be happy and friendly, eager to play some new music he'd discovered or talk about most anything. Other days, he'd be a big ol' grouch and barely acknowledge you were there.

He was working for Joseph-Beth for a while in the music area, but he and they parted ways a few months ago, apparently because he wasn't equally enthusiastic about singing the praises of all artists. (Big surprise, huh?) Last I heard, he was thinking about selling at least some of his massive vinyl collection on eBay.

I used to loan him my CD of The Who Sell Out on a semi-regular basis so he could play "Sunrise" on his psychedelia show on WRFL. Those days are long gone...

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Postby Patrick M » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:00 pm

Rspaight wrote:Going there was always an adventure, because you never knew what kind of mood Chris ("Bear") was going to be in. One day, he'd be happy and friendly, eager to play some new music he'd discovered or talk about most anything. Other days, he'd be a big ol' grouch and barely acknowledge you were there.

Precisely. Every person I've talked to has said the same thing.

He made it clear that he disdained certain customers. Particularly the wannabe hippies who wandered over from UK, asked if he had the new Smashing Pumpkins, then walked out.

I always looked at everything, so he was generally nice to me.

I'll say this for him: I bumped into him a few months ago at CD Central (where his daughter works) and he stopped his conversation to say hello to me and shake my hand.

I'll be back on topic in a minute. :wink:

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Postby Patrick M » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:09 pm

OK, I think this is my Dylan stash:

self-titled: 360 sound mono LP
Freewheelin': US 70s reissue LP, UK original stereo LP
Times: GHF mono LP
Another Side: GHF mono LP
BIABH: UK original stereo LP
Highway 61: DCC CD
Blonde: mono Sundazed LPs, original US mono LPs
JWH: US 360 sound stereo LP (I checked, the LP is not bad, but the jacket was badly water damaged)
Desire: US WLP
Street Legal: US WLP

Misc: GH US LP - labeled mono, but plays stereo; GH V2 on LP and CD; Biograph on LP; Freewheelin' Outtakes (boot)

Plus a bunch of CDR boots.

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Postby Rspaight » Sat Sep 27, 2003 10:15 am

Cool. In terms of comparos, Bringing, JWH and Desire would be helpful. I'd love to hear the mono Blonde, as I never have.

My schedule is pretty nuts over the next few weeks due to the race meet and November sale, but maybe we can work something out where I can bring the SACDs down your way, or you can bring the LPs up here (though I dunno if you want to subject them to my crummy turntable) and we can check 'em out.

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Postby Xenu » Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:28 pm

I have a mono BoB rip from the Sundazed vinyl, FWIW.
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Postby Rspaight » Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:19 pm

I have a mono BoB rip from the Sundazed vinyl, FWIW.


Might be interested in that. Eventually, we'll probably be mailing stuff around for this Who thing, so maybe we can piggyback it into one of those at some point.

Anyway, I had a chance to check some of the new discs out on the PC today, and I saw very little if any signs of excessive maximization/limiting/etc. JWH in particular was actually *very* conservative, with many songs not even approaching 100%. Here's a shot of what "Visions Of Johanna" looks like:

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So Calbi and Sterling managed to do OK in that area, despite not knowing how to work with tape. :)

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Postby Rspaight » Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:31 am

Then again, I could just employ this methodology:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... adid=22216

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Postby Ron » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:20 pm

Where ya gonna get the kids?
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Postby Rspaight » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:25 pm

I figure my cats would do just as well.

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Postby Rspaight » Mon Sep 29, 2003 10:23 pm

No chance for a shoot-out tonight, but I did listen to Love And Theft in 5.1. As I suspected, it's gorgeous (I always liked the sound of the CD). Darn good music, to boot.

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Postby Rspaight » Fri Oct 03, 2003 9:14 am

OK, I'm a lazy bum (and way too busy wih the new Who DVD) and haven't done any more shootouts. I'm kinda Dylaned out at the moment, anyway. More soon.

In the meantime, Roger Ford has posted some thoughts on the three albums he's interested in:

http://www.rdf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Reissues.htm

(And shock of shocks, he agrees with me on H61.)

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Postby MK » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:38 pm

Ryan,

Were you serious about Sterling Sound's 'inability' to work with tape? Some of the Dylan posts at the other forum trashed them. I'm sure there were probably some exaggerated claims going on, but people had some specific examples. One person said they knew nothing about tape azimuth.

Do you find the same things about them?
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Postby Rspaight » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:49 pm

No, I was kidding, specifically referring to the posts you mention. These "don't know about tape" posts led directly to assumptions/claims that the new discs were maximized/compressed/whatever. I haven't seen any evidence of this.

The Dylan discs sound like the work of someone who knew what they were doing. You can disagree with some of the choices made (warmth vs. detail, no quad on the albums that orginally offered it, no mono, etc.), but they hardly exhibit evidence of incompetence.

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Postby Rspaight » Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:31 pm

OK, here's the last I plan to do with these. Mr. Patrick M was kind enough to lend me some of his Dylan vinyl, so here's some quick-hit thoughts on three more titles. (Note that the turntable for these is the Music Hall MMF-5, rather the JVC empoyed on the previous comparisons.)

DESIRE - "Hurricane"

The LP (PC33893 white label promo) sounded pretty good, if a bit "pinched" (the violin was edgy and the guitar and vocal lacked body). The soundstage was nice and well-defined, and the bass was nice.

The old CD (CK 33893) had better tone for the violin, guitar and vocal, but not ideal. The soundstage was pulled in a bit as well. It sounded good, not as bright as the LP but (perhaps due to that) with less presence.

The CD layer of the new disc (CH 90318) was not enormously louder than the old CD. More high end, and thus better presence and detail. The percussion was more forward. Not an enormous difference to my ears, though.

The SACD layer opened up the soundstage a bit, and had the best guitar tone. Oddly, the percussion seemed less forward than the CD layer.

The differences between all these versions were subtle.

BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME - "Maggie's Farm"

The LP (UK CBS 62515) sounded about like BIABH always has: thin, pinched, not much bass. The CD (CK 9128) was a bit better (fuller and clearer) but not hugely different. The CD layer of the SACD (CH 90326) was louder and remixed. Still, though, the sound was quite similar, but another notch clearer, especially in the drums. The SACD layer sounded like yet another notch of better definition, but again no huge differences here.

JOHN WESLEY HARDING - "All Along The Watchtower"

This one was bizarre. There was a dropout on the word "plowmen" on all the copies I listened to, which suggests the same source, but...

The vinyl (CS 9604, an old 2-eye that had had a rough life prior to finding Patrick) was pretty noisy, but underneath that I heard a smooth vocal and very recessed instruments.

The old CD (CK 9604), on the hand, was more balanced between the vocal and the instrumentation. The vocal wasn't as smooth, though.

The CD layer (CH 90320) I initially thought wasn't any louder, until the vocal came in very loudly. The balance between the vocals and instruments was back to the LP sound again, with the instruments pushed way back. The vocal was better than the old CD. (The SACD layer sounded very similar to the CD layer.)

So what the hey? Is the old CD a remix and the new disc the original LP mix? Did the old disc have wildly different EQ to try to "rebalance" the voice and instruments? Am I hearing things again? Is anyone reading this? Did anyone who actually paid to see "Freddy Got Fingered" do so while sober?

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