Iraq: The Doubters Were Right

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:33 pm

Matt wrote:But, over time Saddam could have been more of a threat to us and he did not comply to the term of the Kuwait cease fire agreement.


True, but I'd say the jury is still out as to whether what we created in Iraq is better or worse than Saddam's regime. We won't know that for quite some time.

Right now, though, I'd argue that Iraq is far more of a hub of terrorism and al-Qaeda activity than it was before the war. Some say this is intentional -- that Bush is using the US occupation as a magnet for regional terror factions to draw them in and kill them. ("Bring 'em on!") If that's true, I'm not impressed with using US troops as bait.

Matt wrote:...yet a seriously demented man is not in power and killing anymore. :?


At least not in Iraq.

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Postby Ron » Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:37 pm

Rspaight wrote:
Matt wrote:...yet a seriously demented man is not in power and killing anymore. :?


At least not in Iraq.


And that's kind of the point in a nutshell, isn't it. There are/have been numerous wacko heads of State all over the globe. But unless those nations pose a *serious* threat to the United States, the U.s. simply has no legitimate right to declare war and invade. This particular war was wrong in principle--looking at the results [Iraq's better off or not better off now] muddies the issue. If, for the sake of argument, the Iraqis embraced the American "liberators" and there was a working democracy in place today, I'd feel delighted and relieved for the Iraqi people. But this war would be no more "right" than I feel it is now. The books were cooked and Americans sold a package of lies.

"At least not in Iraq." Right. So who's next in line? The Yankee stadium announcer intones during the 7th Inning Stretch "Let's now pause and listen to Kate Smith's rendition of 'God Bless America' to give thanks to American soldiers fighting abroad for our freedom and our way of life." Fighting for our *freedom*? Our *way of life*? I choke on those lines with each game I watch on tv [courtesy of Matsui we get 'um all here in Japan]. Americans are being killed. Iraqis are being killed. Mothers on both sides of the globe morn those losses. And for what? So America can kick butt and feel good about itself, all the while providing billions to well-placed American corporations and absconding with the spoils of war.

By way of comparison, Viet Nam would seem to have been a righteous [albeit a hideous, wrong-headed] campaign. The war in Iraq is every bit the PR move that landing a jet on an aircraft carrier was.

I never took seriously those foreigners who never refer to Americans as just one word but rather two-- as in "American Imperialists." I do now. And I fear for the future of the United States. [Rant done.]
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:40 pm

But unless those nations pose a *serious* threat to the United States, the U.s. simply has no legitimate right to declare war and invade... I never took seriously those foreigners who never refer to Americans as just one word but rather two-- as in "American Imperialists." I do now. And I fear for the future of the United States.


In hindsight, we should have seen this coming as soon as Bush starting filling cabinet posts.

I actually spent some time perusing the PNAC website recently, and it definitely makes crystal clear the real aims of the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz crowd. Even years before 9/11, they were pushing for a foreign policy based on pre-emptive strikes and unilateral action. 9/11 just gave them the perfect springboard to enact their existing plans.

Signatories to the 1997 PNAC "Statement Of Principles" include Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Zalmay Khalilzad (now the US "special envoy" to Afghanistan), I. Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff), Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. This statement includes the sentence, "The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire." Sound familiar?

Fast forward to 2000, and the big statement of PNACs agenda, Rebuilding America's Defenses. This mainly outlines the case for the smaller force deployment model that Rumsfeld has been pushing. (And which proved to be such a colossal failure, necessitating the rush deployment of tens of thousands of troops and the extension of tours of duty from three months to a year.) Tucked away on page 54 of this document is the following statement: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

Pieces falling into place yet?

This article talks about this in some detail. It also has a handy scorecard of PNACers in and around the Bush administration (and their connection to oil interests), so you can follow along at home.

What's being framed as a "war on terrorism" is really what PNAC envisioned as long ago as 1997 -- the US unilaterally enforcing order on the world.

Conspicuous by his absence from the rolls of PNACers is Colin Powell, the sole moderating influence in the inner circle. Bush's about-face suggests that he's listening to Powell again instead of the PNACers. Time will tell if their strategy has been discredited, or merely set aside for the moment until the current political storm passes.

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Postby Ron » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:54 pm

Rspaight wrote:In hindsight, we should have seen this coming as soon as Bush starting filling cabinet posts.

Remember the "OK, Bush is an idiot but he's surrounding himself with good people" line? Hmmm.

Well, you've provided a lot of reading material. I'll get back to you later on the other stuff.
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Postby Rspaight » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:32 am

Speaking of the warring factions within the Republican party with regard to foreign policy...

Neo-cons have hijacked US foreign policy
By Robert Kuttner, 9/10/2003

THE COUNCIL on Foreign Relations is the epicenter of the American Establishment. Its top three officers are Republicans -- Peter G. Peterson (chair), the former commerce secretary under Nixon, leading investment banker, and opponent of social outlay who must chair half the boards in America; Carla Hills (vice-chair), a corporate power-lawyer who was US trade ambassador for Bush I; and Richard Haass (president), who recently stepped down as one of President Bush's sub-Cabinet appointees at the State Department. The council is best known for its journal, Foreign Affairs, ordinarily a fairly cautious and moderate publication. So it was startling to pick up the September-October issue and read article after article expressing well-documented alarm at the hijacking of American foreign policy. This is not how the council ordinarily speaks.

The must-read piece is "Stumbling into War" by former Assistant Secretary of State James P. Rubin. It documents that Bush's feint to the United Nations was a charade; that even as the administration was going through the motions of diplomacy, war had been already decided upon.

More important, Rubin documents that another path to ousting Saddam Hussein was possible, had the administration been more patient. Other nations, even France, were in fact prepared to use force against Saddam, but insisted on letting the inspections process work first. Rubin demonstrates that every major European nation "would have been prepared to support or at least sanction force against Iraq if it had not fully disarmed by [fall 2003.]" The administration repeatedly rebuffed British entreaties to pursue this other course, which would have preserved a much broader coalition and shared responsibility for reconstruction.

So America's lonely quagmire in Iraq was entirely gratuitous. But it's still a well-kept secret that the vast foreign policy mainstream -- Republican and Democratic ex-public officials, former ambassadors, military and intelligence people, academic experts -- consider Bush's whole approach a disaster. In fairness, it isn't really Bush's approach. Foreign policy is not something Bush closely follows. Mainly, he fell in with the wrong crowd. A determined band of neo-conservatives far outside the foreign policy mainstream persuaded the president that invading Iraq would demonstrate American power to tens of millions shocked and awed Arabs. Instead, it has demonstrated the limits of American power (but limitless arrogance), and stimulated a new round of fundamentalism, nationalism, and terrorism.

The neo-cons also contended that "the road to Jerusalem goes through Baghdad." In other words, get rid of Saddam and the Mideast balance of power would shift; Israel's enemies would be softened up for a peace settlement on Israel's terms. But much of the violence between Israel and Palestine is home grown, and any durable settlement must also be home grown. The sacking of Iraq has only made both Israel's Ariel Sharon and the Palestinians more intransigent.

The same neo-cons persuaded Bush that nation-building and collaboration with bodies like the UN were for sissies. But now, Bush has blundered into nation-building in the worst possible circumstances, in which Americans are viewed as inept invaders rather than liberators. And he is begging for aid from the UN and the very nations he scorned.

Does Bush know that he's been had? Increasingly, Iraq looks like Bush's Vietnam -- a long-term occupation of unfriendly territory in which Americans are targets; an adventure based on misperceptions and misrepresentations, where the benefits fail to justify the costs.

US Representative David Obey, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, recently sent the president a letter which is worth quoting. "First," Obey wrote, in eloquent understatement, "I recommend that you allow the secretary and deputy secretary of defense to return to the private sector.

"Second, I recommend that the responsibilities for developing and implementing foreign policy that have traditionally resided in the Department of State be fully restored to that department."

Obey goes on to recommend that the military be restored to its proper role of military planning and that government-wide coordination of intelligence be resumed. All of this is by way of pointing out that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, with little knowledge of the region, arrogated to themselves diplomatic, intelligence, and operational functions, and made a mess of them all. Now Bush is trying to reverse course without admitting it. Nothing would make that prudent reversal clearer than firing this duo, who have ill served their president and country. As the Foreign Affairs issue makes clear, there's a large, competent, and mainstream body of foreign policy experts ready to step in. Then, the American people can decide whether to fire Bush.

Robert Kuttner is co-editor of the American Prospect. His column appears regularly in the Globe.

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Postby Patrick M » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:20 pm

Rspaight wrote:Conspicuous by his absence from the rolls of PNACers is Colin Powell, the sole moderating influence in the inner circle. Bush's about-face suggests that he's listening to Powell again instead of the PNACers. Time will tell if their strategy has been discredited, or merely set aside for the moment until the current political storm passes.


Of course, Powell will be gone if W get re-selected. Another reason to oust him in 2004.

BTW, Ryan, impressive post. Can I put a Clark yard sign up at your place? :)

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Postby Rspaight » Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:21 pm

Patrick M wrote:Of course, Powell will be gone if W get re-selected. Another reason to oust him in 2004.


True, true. I'm sure Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. have some dandy suggestions for his replacement. The mind reels.

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Postby Ron » Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:13 pm

You know what kills me? Colin Powell is thought of as the only "statesman" in the Bush camp. And, ah, how many times did he testify "I can't remember" during the Iran-Contra hearings? [Well, *lots.*]
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Postby Rspaight » Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:42 pm

Iran-Contra. Wow. You know, I sort of long for those innocent, carefree days.

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Postby Ron » Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:05 pm

True. Doncha kinda pine for an era when American malfeasance was pretty much confined, more or less, to the American continent?
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Postby Rspaight » Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:20 pm

And was considered vaguely scandalous when exposed?

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Postby Ron » Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:35 am

Yeah. LOL.
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