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'Hatriotism' & Michael Moore

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:52 am
by Matt
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39118

'Hatriotism' & Michael Moore: Turkish Muslim says 'Fahrenheit 911' wrong on liberation of Iraq
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Posted: June 24, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Dr. Ergun Mehmet Caner
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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

He was lauded with a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. A.O. Scott of the New York Times calls his movie a "passionate expression of outraged patriotism." At the June showing of "Fahrenheit 911" before the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science in Los Angeles, he received a standing ovation of over a minute.

And Michael Moore's most recent work spits in the face of my dead countrymen.

As yet another innocent person has their head severed by Islamic "extremists," Moore apparently glosses over the fact that democracy, in general – and America, specifically – is under attack. I am innately aware that Michael Moore is first and foremost a provocateur, and he thrives on controversy.


I am also sure he will smile gleefully at this op-ed piece, because I mention his film, which is free advertising. He has gone on record on his website as saying he hopes we will watch his movie, even if we disagree, because his facts and analysis are correct. He notes that he has a "dogged commitment to uncovering the facts."

I am not holding my breath. With the aforementioned facts in mind, I must still speak. Michael Moore has released the cinematic equivalent of a French kiss to all who hate America. He is the leading exponent of hatriotism.

"HATE-RIOTISM" describes the new breeze blowing through the American media. It is now "cool" and "relevant" to mock everything for which our soldiers are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Criticizing democracy and America has long been in vogue in continental Europe from those who look with disdain at American "naivete," while still lamenting the Islamic onslaught.

Now imported to our shores, hatriotism is the simplest way to get the growing contingent of professional protestors who populate television audiences to cheer: Mock America. Mock our involvement in Iraq. Mock President Bush ... and get rousing applause.

The only problem is ... America has freed my kinsmen.

I am a Persian Turkish immigrant raised as a Sunni Muslim, and in the interest of full disclosure, I must state that I left Islam in 1982, and became an American citizen. Yet, as I survey the current cultural landscape, I cannot help but be less than enthused when Michael Moore states that his film is a call to true patriotism.

The present conflict is not a war against Islam, and neither is it a "war for oil." In the previous six military endeavors, American troops sided with Muslims who were under attack, and there are much less extreme methods of garnering oil. This is a war of ideologies, and with "Fahrenheit 911," Moore clearly shows his.

His visual narrative of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Mich., mother who sent her sons to the military and "lives to regret it," as Roger Friedman of FOX News notes, is "unexpectedly poignant."

I wonder – was Moore equally moved when he heard of the honor killings which daily threatened the lives of Muslim women in Afghanistan? Was he equally as outraged at the female circumcision practices in my countrymen's lands, because it lessens the threat of adultery?

In fact, I wonder ... where were all the "hatriots" when our soldiers freed all the women of Afghanistan from the Taliban? Where were the feminists when our soldiers liberated the Afghan women to be educated for the first time in years?

The irony is, for all of their false bravado behind the First Amendment and their right to "free speech," the hatriots are exercising this right because American men and women shed their blood to afford them this right against those who would seek to oppress it. I would invite Michael Moore to my homeland to make a movie criticizing Turkish oppression and see what happens. The freedom he enjoys now was purchased with a dear price.

The central fact of the current controversy is the conflict between Islamic theocracy and American democracy. Islam has not now – nor has it ever – allowed religious freedom or freedom of expression. The best the Islamic republics can offer is "religious toleration." Based on the "Pact of Umar," religious toleration allows non-Muslims to enter Islamic republics, but they must pay a tax (jizyat). They can practice their faiths, but they cannot convert anyone from Islam. To do so means deportation ... or worse.

Further, Islamic prophecy foretells of worldwide conversion to Sharia law under Islam, and thus, those who are fighting against us are "holy warriors." In this instance, I would say our president is half right. He says we are not at war with Islam. I agree. However, a significant portion of Islam is in fact at war with us.

And Michael Moore is blind to it all.

The clearest definition of religious freedom and freedom of expression I can make is this – the religious freedom America offers means that I would fight and die for a Muslim's right to build a mosque in every city in America. It is precisely this freedom for which our soldiers are fighting.

In recent days, it has become fashionable for those like Moore to say, "I support the troops, but not the war." This is the equivalent to saying, "I support doctors but not surgery." The position they hold is ludicrous at best, and insulting at worst. When my brother – also a professor and my co-author of five books – and I came out in support of the Iraqi intervention, we began to be accosted by peace protestors when we spoke. I found this amusing.

Allow me to say it emphatically: I support the troops – and their mission.

Our soldiers – your sons and daughters – are fighting to preserve Michael Moore's freedom to produce such works that mock their very existence. I hope he realizes that. They are allowing my countrymen the right to freely express themselves without being stoned to death as a consequence. Or have their heads severed slowly while their executioners are chanting "Allah hu Akbar."

There is one final irony. There is a film producer who has worked for years, chasing down Michael Moore in an effort to interview him. The young man, named Michael Wilson, is making a documentary titled "Michael Moore Hates America." So far, Moore has dodged him at every turn. Anyone who knows cinema recognizes that this is the exact tactic Moore took in his film "Roger and Me," as he chased an automobile executive for an interview.

Do you see the paradox? Because Michael Moore is now in the mainstream of hatriotism, and now the young conservatives are the radicals, Moore has become his own worst nightmare. Michael Moore has become that which he mocked. He has become an aloof elite.

Count me among the radicals.

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:12 pm
by Rspaight
Ah, WorldNutDaily. Glad they're still reliable sources of this sort of thing.

Once more, slowly. You can be against Bush and still think America and democracy and freedom are good things. Bush does not have a monopoly on those ideas, and his policies are not the only ones that further them. Hating Bush does not equal hating America.

Got it? Good.

Also, we did not attack Afghanistan and Iraq because they had despotic, brutal governments. We attacked them (rightly or wrongly) because we perceived they threatened national security. We left the Taliban in place for many years (and had a hand in creating it by sponsoring bin Laden against the Soviets) and we actually supported Saddam at the height of his brutality during the Iran-Iraq war. So don't point to these actions as evidence of our nobility. If that were the case, we'd be cleaning house in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, the Sudan, and numerous other places.

Ryan

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:48 pm
by Matt
Ah, WorldNutDaily. Glad they're still reliable sources of this sort of thing.


Yep, another one of those goddamn conservative sites. You won't see this on CNN or the NYT.

Once more, slowly. You can be against Bush and still think America and democracy and freedom are good things. Bush does not have a monopoly on those ideas, and his policies are not the only ones that further them. Hating Bush does not equal hating America.

Got it? Good.


Uh huh... I suppose it is unfortunate that people who disagree with Bush and bitch about Iraq are considered (by some) to be people who hate America. I never implied you or anyone here hated America and I do not imply that about people who disagree with Bush or the war.

I think the author is referring to the people who mock the soldiers who are following orders (whether or not others agree). The people that mock the soldiers are shitty in my book.

Also, we did not attack Afghanistan and Iraq because they had despotic, brutal governments. We attacked them (rightly or wrongly) because we perceived they threatened national security. We left the Taliban in place for many years (and had a hand in creating it by sponsoring bin Laden against the Soviets) and we actually supported Saddam at the height of his brutality during the Iran-Iraq war. So don't point to these actions as evidence of our nobility. If that were the case, we'd be cleaning house in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, the Sudan, and numerous other places.


You make a good point. The US had to answer Bin Laden's attack. I don't consider that noble or evil. Whether we sould befriend, ignore, or attack any of those countries you mentioned is beyond me. Depending on which side of the fence you are on it is another damned if they do, damned if they don't scenario.

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:16 pm
by Patrick M
Matt wrote:Yep, another one of those goddamn conservative sites. You won't see this on CNN or the NYT.

But you can find it on Jewish World Review.

According to the author's bio, he has appeared on "various" CNN shows since 9/11:

http://www.erguncaner.com/Biography.htm

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:25 pm
by Patrick M

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:28 pm
by Matt
According to the author's bio, he has appeared on "various" CNN shows since 9/11:


Also, it seems he has appeared on Fox news which seems to be discounted here. I wonder why the story above wasn't on CNN?

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:59 pm
by Bennett Cerf
Gee, I dunno, maybe because 1,100-word op-ed pieces don't really translate to television.

I love how the author is described as a "Muslim" in the headline when he says in the body of the article that he "left Islam in 1982."

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:59 pm
by Patrick M
Hatriotism' & Michael Moore: Turkish Muslim says 'Fahrenheit 911' wrong on liberation of Iraq

I'm a bit concerned about the "Turkish Muslim" part. According to the guy's bio on his own website, he was born in Sweden, educated (at least in part) in South Africa, and is currently a professor of theology and church history in Virginia. Going to his faculty page on the Liberty website, we have the following:

1989 - B.A. in Biblical Studies (minor in Greek and Hebrew)
Cumberland College (Williamsburg, KY)
1992 - M.A. in History
The Criswell College (Dallas, TX)
1994 - M.Div.
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (Wake Forest, NC)
1995 - M.Theol.
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (Wake Forest, NC)
2003 - D.Theol.
University of South Africa (Pretoria, South Africa)

So he's been living in the U.S. for 20+ years and he's renounced Islam and is now teaching theology at a school founded by Jerry Falwell. Calling him a "Turkish Muslim" seems a wee bit disingenuous, even given his "full disclosure."

Incidentally, his brother and frequent co-author is a professor at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. Here's his educational pedigree:

B.A., Criswell College; M.Div., Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary; Ph.D., University of Texas at Arlington. Teaching at SEBTS since 1999.

Then there's this, courtesy of Ann Coulter:

In a fascinating book written by two Arab Muslims who converted to Christianity, Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner give an eye-opening account of Islam's prophet in "Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs."

Citing passages from the Hadith, the collected sayings of Muhammad, the Caners note that, by his own account, the founder of Islam was often possessed by Satan. The phrase "Satanic Verses" refers to words that Muhammad first claimed had come from God, but which he later concluded were spoken by Satan.

Muhammad married 11 women, kept two others as concubines and recommended wife-beating (but only as a last resort!). His third wife was 6 years old when he married her and 9 when he consummated the marriage.

To say that Muhammad was a demon-possessed pedophile is not an attack. It's a fact. (And for the record, Timothy McVeigh is not the founder of Christianity. He wasn't even a Christian. He was an atheist who happened to be a gentile.)

Muslims argue against the Caners' book the way liberals argue against all incontrovertible facts. They deny the meaning of words, posit irrelevant counterpoints, and attack the Caners' motives.

Ibrahim Hooper, with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, says that by "6 years old" the Hadith really means "16 years old" and "9" means "19" – numbers as similar in Arabic as they are in English. Hooper also makes the compelling argument that the Caner brothers – who say they wrote their book out of love for Muslims whom they want to see in Heaven – are full of "hate."

Other Islamic scholars concede the facts, but argue that Muhammad's marriage to a 6-year-old girl was an anomaly. Oh, OK, never mind. Still others explain that Muhammad's marriage to a 6-year-old girl was of great benefit to her education and served to reinforce political allegiances.

So was she really 16, or was it terrific that he had sex with a 9-year-old to improve her education? This is like listening to some Muslims' earlier argument-in-the-alternative that the Zionists attacked the World Trade Center, but America brought the attack on itself anyway.

Muhammad makes L. Ron Hubbard look like Jesus Christ. Most people think nothing of assuming every Scientologist is a crackpot. Why should Islam be subject to presumption of respect because it's a religion? Liberals bar the most benign expressions of religion by little America. Only a religion that is highly correlated with fascistic attacks on the U.S. demands their respect and protection.

I dunno, this guy seems about as much like a Turkish Muslim as Cat Stevens does a Hasidic Jew.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:38 pm
by Xenu
Points for Ann on Scientology.

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:35 pm
by Rspaight
I never implied you or anyone here hated America and I do not imply that about people who disagree with Bush or the war.


I was responding to the article, not you. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

The US had to answer Bin Laden's attack. I don't consider that noble or evil.


True. As comedian David Cross said once, "Give me a break. Ralph Nader would have bombed Afghanistan."

Ryan