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Big lie on Iraq comes full circle

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:56 am
by lukpac
Big lie on Iraq comes full circle

September 19, 2003

BY ANDREW GREELEY

Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda chief (director of communications, in the current parlance), once said that if you are going to lie, you should tell a big lie. That may be good advice, but the question remains: What happens when people begin to doubt the big lie? Herr Goebbels never lived to find out. Some members of the Bush administration may be in the process of discovering that, given time, the big lie turns on itself.

The president has insisted that Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism, a continuation of the administration's effort to link Iraq to the attack on the World Trade Center. While almost three-quarters of the public believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the attack, the polls after the president's recent speech show that less than half believe that Iraq is the ''central front'' of the war on terrorism. Moreover, the majority believe that the war has increased the risk of terrorism. A shift is occurring in the middle, which is neither clearly pro-Bush nor clearly anti-Bush. The big lie is coming apart.

There is not and never has been any evidence that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack. None. The implication of such involvement was an attempt to deceive, a successful attempt at the big lie.

I'm not sure that the president knows it is a lie, however.

Also, the weapons of mass destruction story was never true. It now appears that Saddam panicked in 1995 when his sons-in-law defected to Jordan and revealed the truth about his weapons development. He immediately ordered the destruction of all the evidence. The U.N. team before the war would have no more found any weapons than the Americans after the war.

Again, I'm not sure that the president knew the weapons argument was false. Perhaps some of his advisers believed it, or, as the Irish say, half-believed it. However, the American people now seem to suspect that they haven't been told the truth.

Why, then, did the United States invade Iraq if the reasons given for the war were so problematic? It would seem that the answer was the same as the reason as for climbing Mt. Everest: Iraq was there. The administration recited the ''war on terror'' mantra as a pretext for doing something that its intellectuals had wanted to do for years. No one in the administration expected that such a war would lead to more dangers of terrorism rather than less. The mantra has been used as an excuse for many things, from the Patriot Act to drilling for oil in Alaska. It won the 2002 election for the Republicans. It is supposed to win the presidential election next year. Will the big lie work? Perhaps, though it would seem that some are growing skeptical about its constant repetition.

Moreover, the corollary mantra, which says that Americans must make sacrifices to win the war on terror, is also in trouble. Who makes the sacrifices? The rich Americans celebrating their tax ''refunds''? The Republican leadership who have few if any sons and daughters in harm's way? Giant corporations like Dick Cheney's Halliburton or Bechtel? No, the sacrifices will be made mostly by the sons and daughters of the poor and the working class who must fight the war. Jessica Lynch joined the army so she could get money for a college education. Her roommate Lori Piestewa, who was killed in action, joined because she was a Native American single mother who needed the money to raise her two children.

There will be sacrifices made by schoolchildren who depend on state and local money, which has disappeared into the ''war effort,'' the elderly who will not benefit from prescription drug reform; the working men whose overtime pay the president wishes to cut; the chronically unemployed whose jobs have disappeared, and the future generations who will have to work to pay off the president's huge debt.

''War on terror'' is a metaphor. It is not an actual war, like the World War or the Vietnamese or Korean wars. It is rather a struggle against fanatical Islamic terrorists, exacerbated if not caused by the conflict in Palestine. When one turns a metaphor into a national policy, one not only misunderstands what is going on, one begins to slide toward the big lie. One invades Iraq because one needed a war.

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Re: Big lie on Iraq comes full circle

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:38 pm
by Patrick M
The president has insisted that Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism, a continuation of the administration's effort to link Iraq to the attack on the World Trade Center.

Question: why didn't they just spin this as a human rights issue, not a WMD issue?

I read some of Christopher Hitchens' article on post-war Iraq in the October issue of Vanity Fair. He details some of the mass graves and other Saddam-era atrocities.

If they had said, "We are going to go in and overthrow this very, very bad man," they wouldn't have this huge albatross called WMD around their necks.

On the BookTV thing, Molly Ivins even said they were justified in going in as a human rights issue.

So why not spin it that way? Everyone was in agreement that he was a bad guy.

Of course, that would have taken out the terra-ism angle, so maybe that's why. Easier to keep the people scared, I guess.

Also, the weapons of mass destruction story was never true. It now appears that Saddam panicked in 1995 when his sons-in-law defected to Jordan and revealed the truth about his weapons development. He immediately ordered the destruction of all the evidence. The U.N. team before the war would have no more found any weapons than the Americans after the war.

Hadn't seen this. Where is it documented?

Moreover, the corollary mantra, which says that Americans must make sacrifices to win the war on terror, is also in trouble.

See Bill Maher's book.

Jessica Lynch joined the army so she could get money for a college education. Her roommate Lori Piestewa, who was killed in action, joined because she was a Native American single mother who needed the money to raise her two children.

Why not a made for TV movie about her?

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2003 9:02 am
by lukpac
And people wonder why Americans think Iraq and al-Qaida were connected:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/sep03/173237.asp

Welch, who lost a 1994 bid to unseat the state's other Democratic senator, Herb Kohl, is more blunt about Feingold's vote.

"I don't want it to sound like he's not patriotic or he wasn't well meaning or didn't have legitimate concerns. But he showed a tremendous lack of judgment," said Welch. "We have taken the war on terror to the enemy, and that is what you want to do when you're in a war. I don't think Senator Feingold yet realizes we're in a war and has fully grasped what happened on 9-11."

Welch described Iraq as "perhaps not directly tied to 9-11 but certainly connected in this overall, anti-American Islamic fundamentalist attack on the West."


Islamic fundamentalist? Saddam? And this guy is running for senator...

Re: Big lie on Iraq comes full circle

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:06 pm
by Matt
Patrick M wrote:Question: why didn't they just spin this as a human rights issue, not a WMD issue?

I read some of Christopher Hitchens' article on post-war Iraq in the October issue of Vanity Fair. He details some of the mass graves and other Saddam-era atrocities.

If they had said, "We are going to go in an overthrow this very, very bad man," they wouldn't have this huge albatross called WMD around their necks.


If feel the same way. I also feel he would be just as critized at this point though. Simple partisan politics.

Saddams non-complaince with the Kuwait cease fire agreement and his human rights atrocities are still VERY valid points.

Re: Big lie on Iraq comes full circle

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:00 am
by Rspaight
Patrick M wrote:
Jessica Lynch joined the army so she could get money for a college education. Her roommate Lori Piestewa, who was killed in action, joined because she was a Native American single mother who needed the money to raise her two children.

Why not a made for TV movie about her?


Or about Shoshana Johnson, who's getting the shaft while Lynch gets the splashy interview, book and movie deals:

Insult to injury: raw deal for Jessica Lynch's black comrade-in-arms
By Lee Hockstader in Austin, Texas
October 25, 2003

Shot through both legs and held prisoner in Iraq for 22 days, Shoshana Johnson returned home to a difficult convalescence that lacked the media fury and official hype that attended her friend and comrade in arms Jessica Lynch.

Depressed, scarred, haunted by the trauma of her captivity and at times unable to sleep, Specialist Johnson walks with a limp and has difficulty standing for long. Now that she is on the verge of her discharge, the US Army is aggravating her injury, her parents say.

While Private Lynch was discharged in August with an 80 per cent disability benefit, Specialist Johnson learnt last week she will receive a 30 per cent disability benefit from the army for her injuries.

The difference, which amounts to $US700 ($1000) a month in payments, has infuriated Specialist Johnson and her family. They have enlisted the help of the Reverend Jesse Jackson to take their case to the news media, accusing the army of double standards, insensitivity and racism - Private Lynch is white; Specialist Johnson is black.

"Race clearly is a factor," said Mr Jackson, who will take up Specialist Johnson's cause with the White House, the Pentagon and members of Congress.

"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war - everything about their service commitment and their risk is equal . . . Yet there's an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two cases."

Claude Johnson, Shoshana Johnson's father and himself an army veteran, said his family did not begrudge Private Lynch her celebrity or her disability payments. But he said he believed his daughter should also get what she was due. He believes the army owes her more than the 30 per cent of disability benefit, which translates into 30 per cent of her base monthly pay - or about $US500. "There is [a double standard]," Mr Johnson said.

Specialist Johnson is 30, has a three-year-old daughter and has been living at home. She will not speak publicly about the terms of her discharge.

But her parents said she was stunned and angered when the army informed her of its decision on her disability.

When her unit blundered into an ambush in Iraq on March 23, 11 of its soldiers were killed.

Six, including Private Lynch and Specialist Johnson, were taken prisoner. In a videotape taken shortly after their capture, Specialist Johnson appeared terrified, her eyes darting back and forth among her captors.

Private Lynch was rescued on April 2. Her colleagues were released on April 13.

Ryan

Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 12:16 pm
by mikenycLI
RSpaight and Patrick M,

Hey, she wasn't white, blonde, and media photogenic in a Gwenyth Paltrow kind of way ! The guy here, and another white guy, whose story I saw written up in Newsday, just aren't what the Army is looking for...their too real.

In addition, I feel some of it has to do with the news organizations going along with the Government Line on her story, and sucking up to them for a more cozy relationship. We arent supposed to be bright enough to notice this. Yeah Right !!!

Guess who gets screwed here...The Truth and the Public !