The Day After

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The Day After

Postby David R. Modny » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:26 am

EDIT - 7:30 AM: Franken's now actually within a few hundred votes (again!) in his Senate race in MN - with 99% reporting. Back and forth they go.


As of 6 AM:

All kinds of things to analyze. First the downers. Looks like Stevens and Coleman pulled it out in Alaska and Minnesota - barring some sort of recount anomaly or uncounted ballot (or provisional) find. Stevens may go to prison and, once again, Palin will be thrust into the limelight as she chooses his Republican successor. 56 seats will have to do.

Oh...and that monster, Bachmann, won her House race as well. There's no justice sometimes.


The good stuff. The polls were pretty darned accurate this election compared to the actual results. Other than Missouri going to McCain (even though it hasn't been called as of 6 AM and may go through some sort of recount), Obama did indeed win all the swing states (again...assuming giving the uncalled NC to Obama).

Some of the final day, pre-election state polls were scary in their accuracy, with only a couple of small and different (i.e. pleasant) outcomes.


Rasmussen/ Zogby/ Actual

Ohio O 49 McC 49/ O 49.4 McC 47.4/ O 51 McC 47

Florida McC 50 O 49/ O 49.2 McC 48.0/ O 51 McC 49

Virginia O 51 McC 47/ O 51.7 McC 45.3/ O 52 McC 47

Missouri McC 49 O 49/ McC 48.8 O 48.8/ McC 50 O 49

Penn. O 52 McC 46/ O 51.2 McC 41.4/ O 55 McC 44

Col. O 51 McC 47/ No numbers just "Obama"/ O 53 McC 46

N. Ca. McC 50 O 49/ McC 49.5 O 49.1/ O 50 McC 49

Nev. O 50 McC 46/ O 53.2 McC 42.4/ O 55 McC 43

Ind. McC 49 O 46/ McC 50.4 O 45.1/ O 50 McC 49




PS: We ended up flipping 9 states from '04 - Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida. Not a bad day at the races.

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Postby Bennett Cerf » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:20 pm

If Stevens resigns, there will be a special election to replace him. Alaska changed the law after Palin's predecessor appointed his daughter to the Senate. There's already some speculation that Palin will run in that special election.

My biggest disappointment is that California's anti-gay Proposition 8 appears to have passed.

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Postby Rspaight » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:26 pm

Bennett Cerf wrote:If Stevens resigns, there will be a special election to replace him. Alaska changed the law after Palin's predecessor appointed his daughter to the Senate. There's already some speculation that Palin will run in that special election.

My biggest disappointment is that California's anti-gay Proposition 8 appears to have passed.


Ditto. (See Xenu's thread in the Religion forum.)

Stevens must really know where the bodies are buried if he can win as a convicted felon. (I guess by Alaska standards Palin really is an ethic-reform maverick. She's only been officially tagged for abuse of power.) Meanwhile, some people are already mapping out a path for Palin to the 2012 nomination via this hypothetical Senate election. That... should be interesting.
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Postby David R. Modny » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:26 pm

Bennett Cerf wrote:If Stevens resigns, there will be a special election to replace him. Alaska changed the law after Palin's predecessor appointed his daughter to the Senate. There's already some speculation that Palin will run in that special election.


Apparently there were actually two laws that changed regarding succession -- one that was voted on and one that was created by legislature -- but they're at odds on whether the Governor (i.e. Palin) can appoint an interim Senator. They were actually speculating this morning on whether or not she would challenge the constitutionality of that and appoint *herself* as that interim. That is, resign and have the Lieutenant Governor appoint her as a successor (and, of course, then run in the special election).

Personally, I just want her out of the limelight. Gone. Back to her token post.

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Postby Rspaight » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:14 pm

I think she should get her own show on Fox News.
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Postby David R. Modny » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:23 pm

As much as I despise the thought of her remaining in the spotlight, she's actually tailor-made for the media. A reality show-based world where "feisty" really equals stupid.

Some sort of talk show where she can yell at people.

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Postby Rspaight » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:30 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581/page/1

NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.

A Palin aide said: "Governor Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense. Nasty and false accusations following a defeat say more about the person who made them than they do about Governor Palin."

McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.
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Postby Bennett Cerf » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:56 pm

I wonder if Palin and McCain will ever speak to each other again.

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Postby Beatlesfan03 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:11 pm

You skipped the best part...

From the same article (via Huffington Post)

At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said.


Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't think she was all that hot.
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Postby Jeff » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:35 pm

Beatlesfan03 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't think she was all that hot.


She's Alaska hot. Just like Pickle.

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Postby Beatlesfan03 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:05 pm

Jeff wrote:
Beatlesfan03 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't think she was all that hot.


She's Alaska hot. Just like Pickle.


Then I wonder if she indulges in the herb then? :P

Now that's hot! :twisted:
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Postby Jeff T. » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:12 pm

I feel kind of a post election blue. The high of the election being over, and now the last days of Bush's term to sit though, we have some direction now, but can't really do anything just yet.

Did the stock market rattle around at all today? Have we yet to see the worst of the job, housing, gas, food, and banking problems? Or are the next 9 months when we find out just how bad we've been driven into the ground?

Let's hope that the last eight years have been bad enough that no one ever forgets the damage of what a bad Republican President and his administration can do.

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Postby Jeff T. » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:37 pm

Bennett Cerf wrote:I wonder if Palin and McCain will ever speak to each other again.


I wonder too? I think perhaps not. Read this funny piece of fiction from the NY Times Op-Ed, Oct 29th

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For Your Consideration By MAUREEN DOWD
In an Ohio hotel suite, two McCain aides ponder how Sarah Palin got away.

THE MAVERICK WEARS PRADA
Screenplay by
Maureen Dowd
Revised third draft
© Oct. 29, 2008


FADE IN:

INT. A HOTEL SUITE — in the middle of the day in the middle of Ohio.

NICOLLE WALLACE, a slender, preppie-looking blonde wearing a string of pearls is pacing and frantically thumbing her BlackBerry. She is a top McCain adviser under STEVE SCHMIDT who has been seconded to SARAH PALIN. On the TV, MSNBC’s DAVID SHUSTER is asking ANNE KORNBLUT about rumors that PALIN has gone AWOL after McCain advisers anonymously labeled her a rogue “diva” and a “whack job.”

NICOLLE

(hissing)

How’d she get away?

TRACEY SCHMITT, another blonde sorority type in pearls, also a Bush person who became a McCain person who was then sent over to manage PALIN as her press secretary, sits slumped in a chair, dejectedly checking her BlackBerry messages.

How the heck should I know? She told me she was going to the bathroom to change out of the Jimmy Choos into something more Target for the Joe the Plumber “They’re Not Smears, They’re Just Facts” Bus Tour. She never came back. I called Todd. He’s not picking up.

NICOLLE

Steve’s freaking out. You know how he is about message discipline, much less completely losing a candidate. He’s got enough on his plate scaring the nursing-home Jews in Florida and painting Obama as a Palestinian Marxist Madrassa Child. Maybe all of those dudes painting their chests for Sarah and screaming “2012!” have her looking past the old man. Steve says he will annihilate her if she sabotages this campaign to get started on the next one, or if she plants negative stories about me — I mean McCain — with the base. Are the clothes gone from the belly of the plane?

TRACEY

It’s not like we were ever gonna return them anyway.

NICOLLE

Think like a diva. Where would you go rogue?

TRACEY

Sean Hannity’s pocket. Could he pant over her more? Or maybe she’s hiding in Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s dressing room at “The View.”

NICOLLE

She’s probably at The Weekly Standard, plotting her shining city on the tundra with Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol. I can’t believe Barnes called me a coward because I tried to update that $30 Wasilla beehive that made her look like the girlfriend in an Elvis movie and upgrade her from pleather to leather. And besides, she’s not going to find real Americans at Saks and Neiman’s. She’s got to go to Barneys and Armani for that.

TRACEY

Between us, Nicolle, she doesn’t look $150,000 different. Maybe we should have spent that money on getting Henry Kissinger to put on his snowshoes and best leer and tutor her.

NICOLLE

Look, Tracey, maybe Sarah doesn’t know who Berlusconi is, but she does know who Valentino is. She saw those labels. She knew we were being sartorial socialists and spreading the wealth to Neiman’s and Saks. She liked being pampered like a movie star. We should have learned from W. If you can keep a war off budget, why can’t you keep a wardrobe off budget? I told the press if someone wants to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most graceful thing to do is lie there.

TRACEY

That’ll be the day.

NICOLLE

I’ll be glad when this blind date from hell is over and I can get away from the dysfunctional Palin clan and back to walking my dog, Lily, in Central Park with my pinko liberal friends. I knew Katie would be brutal, but thank God I arranged that interview because now I can go back to my gig as a political analyst at CBS.

TRACEY

I’m gonna miss Todd. He’s hot.

NICOLLE

I won’t miss him or his 20 calls a day playing stage dad. He’s probably the one who masterminded her breakout.

(Her BlackBerry rings to the tune of “Eye of the Tiger.”)

Uh-oh, it’s Steve.

(She listens and then hangs up.)

TRACEY

(sardonically)

Does McCain know the maverick’s maverick has gone all mavericky on him?

NICOLLE

McCain is calling off the search.

TRACEY

(shocked)

Huh?

NICOLLE

He’s fed up with her getting bigger crowds and contradicting his message. He’s fed up with her interrupting him on TV interviews and taking them over. He’s fed up with her drilling him on drilling. He’s fed up with never being able to discuss anything with her, like the latest violence in the Congo. He’s weirded out by the way she keeps trying to explain the Rapture to him. His exact words to Steve were: “For my End of Days, I’d prefer to finish the race with Lieberman.” So forget Sarah. Let’s find Joe.

TRACEY

You betcha!

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Postby David R. Modny » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:23 am

Oregon projected for Merkley. That's 57 now.

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Postby David R. Modny » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:39 am

Jeff T. wrote:I feel kind of a post election blue.


http://cityfile.com/dailyfile/2844

Me...I guess I can always go back to comparing waveforms of CD's I rarely listen to. :lol: :cry:

PS - Jeff, I'll add that with a possible Senatorial runoff in Georgia looming and a probable recount in Minnesota, along with the Stevens saga, we'll still have a little gas in the tank to get us into the new year. They may not play out in our favor, but...