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Postby lukpac » Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:53 pm

Rspaight wrote:Well, the Prius will do 50 in town and over 40 on the highway (hybrids do better in the city due to regenerative braking and more usage of the electric motor), which seems darn good for something with the interior space of a Camry. The mileage tests out as good or better than a Jetta TDI or a Toyota Echo, and is lots bigger and more pleasant to drive than the Echo and easier to find fuel for than the Jetta.


That's what they test to using EPA standards, but I've heard that in real-world driving you actually get far lower mileage.

And I thought the Prius was kind of...strange.

What do they call mileage in metric countries?
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Postby Patrick M » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:07 pm

lukpac wrote:What do they call mileage in metric countries?

Rods to the hogshead?

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Postby lukpac » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:16 pm

Good point.
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Postby Dob » Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:34 pm

lukpac wrote:I'd say it's only hypocritical if they condem everyone else for "not doing their part." I think most of us are probably like that (doing some things to help but blowing it in other ways).

I can't disagree with that sensible point of view. But I would perhaps take it one step further...these types of largely symbolic (IMO) actions, such as declining the leather seat option, should be motivated by a sense of altruism (not by wanting to gain favor with others), and should therefore be done quietly and privately. Calling attention to those actions, even without specifically condemning anyone else, can be viewed as hypocritical, especially if you're "blowing it" in a lot of other ways.

Here's a (very extreme) example - Al Capone was much loved in Chicago because of all his well-publicized charitable works, and they weren't just symbolic - they really did help a lot of people. Yet, IMO, those actions were clearly hypocritical.

lukpac wrote:Another thing to think of is some of these people are *way* more anal than you could imagine - the ones with the big houses have probably spent several times more than the average person to ensure every aspect is "eco-friendly".

Hmmm...I admit that I don't hang around with anyone that would have their house profiled in a magazine, but my peers have generally sunk every dime they have into buying and furnishing their house, with very little left over for "eco-friendly" improvements. About the only "conservation" issues they concern themselves with are the utility bills...and if they were rich, they wouldn't even care about those.

With regard to the hybrid cars, here's a classic cartoon from the New Yorker.
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:58 pm

Patrick M wrote:
Rspaight wrote:Down the road, Honda is promising a hybrid Accord that will get Civic mileage while offering better performance than the current Accord V-6.

Hybrid Civic or regular Civic?


Regular Civic -- mid 30s.

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I think this will be the norm for hybrids in the near future -- replicating current size/power offerings (with about a 10-mpg boost) rather than going full-gonzo economy like the Honda Insight, creating a 60-mpg wonder no one wants to buy.

I'd love the economy, but the Insight looks funky.


I'd drive one, but then I don't have kids. The Civic hybrid makes a lot more sense for most folks.

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:09 pm

lukpac wrote:That's what they test to using EPA standards, but I've heard that in real-world driving you actually get far lower mileage.


Actually, I was referring to a real world test.

Honda Civic Hybrid
Highway: 43
Suburbs: 54
City: 40 (53 in "economy mode")
Racetrack: 16
EPA highway: 47
EPA city: 48

Toyota Echo
Highway: 41
Suburbs: 42
City: 42
Racetrack: 18
EPA highway: 39
EPA city: 33

Toyota Prius
Highway: 50
Suburbs: 54
City: 52
Racetrack: 18
EPA highway: 51
EPA city: 60

Volkswagen Jetta TDI
Highway: 42
Suburbs: 42
City: 33
Racetrack: 17
EPA highway: 44
EPA city: 33


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