Nirvana - With The Lights Out
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:04 pm
Bargain hunting
First, this is a surprisingly good deal. According to the Best Buy sticker, this normally retails for $49.99. However, the week it came out, every store had this on sale. Before taxes, Circuit City was something like $35, Best Buy was $40 with most packages coming with a $5 Best Buy gift card inside. Better yet, Target had it for $28.
The best way to buy this? Find a Target ad and go to either Circuit City or Best Buy and do a price match. Both not only match the price, but give 10% of the difference. Circuit City's registers automatically include the 10% difference in a price match, making it very easy.
Best Buy was a little more complicated. When you do a price match there, the cashier basically selects 'price match' on their register screens, but for some reason, they don't include the 10% difference. Every time I tell this to the cashier, they either say there is no 10% price difference deduction or have a blank look, so what you have to do is point to the big, grey policy signs on the walls or the smaller ones attached to the front of the register, at which point they usually say, "Oh, they say that?"
To further complicate matters, at Best Buy the $5 gift card factors into the price match deal, but if you find a box set without the gift card sticker, it won't have the gift card so you don't have to deal with it. After a week, it seems like all the box sets with the gift cards are long gone, thanks to the Friday shopping frenzy, but a few may remain.
For now, all this is a moot point because this was last week's sale prices, but it's good to keep in mind for future deals on other products.
Box set details and review
Three CD's each timing about 71 minutes. One DVD.
CD's were mastered by Bob Ludwig, DVD by someone else and some other place, and you can sum it all up with one word: loud. Even the DVD is loud, possibly the loudest DVD I've ever heard. Usually when I switch from a TV broadcast to a DVD of a movie, I have to jack up the volume. With the Nirvana DVD, I turned it down to a very low setting.
The CD's are pretty loud, just like the black Nirvana compilation CD that came out in 2002, also mastered by Bob Ludwig. Too bad the Blew Ep version of "Been A Son" and the finished version of "You Know You're Right" were left off the box set. They would've fit. So basically that mediocre single disc compilation is the only in-print CD that has those two tracks.
A lot of tracks came from subpar resources, like crappy cassettes, the kind you buy in any drug store, but they still sound fine. Someone mentioned that the brief but big dropout on "Opinion" isn't on the boots. That's too bad, but it's a really brief dropout so not the end of the world.
At least some of these tracks are remixes. The lighter sound on "Oh, The Guilt" is mixed out completely.
The DVD info in the booklet has a bunch of typo, but you should be able to make out what's wrong.
The tracklisting printed on the back matches the press release and booklet, and there are a few mistakes. "I Hate Myself and I Want To Die" is listed as a 'B-side,' and in the booklet's timeline of recordings and sessions - they highlight the songs that are on the box set - they say the version on the box set is the one Steve Albini produced and previously released on "The Beavis & Butthead Experience." Not true. They actually use an earlier, rougher, longer version produced by someone else. I don't know if this is a mistake in picking the wrong version or just identifying it incorrectly, but it's no big deal because this earlier version is previously unreleased. The Beavis & Butthead/Steve Albini/previously released version can be found on that "Beavis & Butthead" CD which is out-of-print but easy to find for $1 or $2 at any on-line retailer selling used discs.
"Sappy" aka "Verse Chorus Verse" is marked previously unreleased. It is not, it's the same version found as the final hidden track on "No Alternative" except with a small extra dose of compression.
Packaging is neat, with the metal plate cover, but the digipak holders are death-grip holders, the worst I've seen. They SUCK. Be careful not to crack your discs when you take them out.
The booklet sucks. I like the new photos, the time-line is nice and complete, but everyone I know hates the two essays, and they're right. One exec some local rock critics know but won't name told them well in advance, "I wish these liner notes were better." You basically have Moore's disappointing essay that is occasionally self-serving, and then you have the crappy essay by a former NY Times critic. The NY Times have had great critics like the late Robert Palmer and the current editor, John Swenson, is pretty good. This guy, though, is probably their worst. He's written sleazy tell-all books that are more tabloid trash than rock history. He spent a lot of time with Courtney before writing these hack notes.
Some people were curious about the inclusion of "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Bassist Kris Novoselic did several radio talk shows a year or two ago, talking about a tape he had of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" that was an earlier mix. He loved it, talking about the feedback that was left up instead of mixed down, and how it was raunchier with much less arena-rock sheen. He said he wanted to put it on the box set if it ever saw the light of day. We finally got the set, and that's what's on there.
The DVD's more historical artifact than a definitive live video portrait a la the Led Zeppelin DVD. Not the best live performances, often ragged, but it's a REALLY, REALLY COOL historical artifact. You see an early Nirvana performing "About a Girl" in someone's house, supposedly in 1988 even though the camcorder says 1/1/87. You see them perform in dives and small clubs that most people who bought "Nevermind" would NEVER frequent, and you see them perform a thrash-punk sounding version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for the first time ever in public, and everyone in the crowd really starts bopping along with the music. There's a few clips of them after they get big, and them making jokes about how they've become a corporate band.
In terms of content, with the exception of the DVD, this is like Springsteen's "Tracks," the Beatles Anthology, or Dylan's "Bootleg Series." Studio rarities, demos, outtakes, etc. The quality is surprisingly high in terms of music, and because this is a band with a small history, this is very close to being complete. I could see two maybe three more discs of non-Lp material that one could want, and that would include the official release "Incesticide," but with this box set, unless you're a diehard collector who needs everything, I can't see a person needing anymore studio bootleg material.
Is it worth $50? For most, I'd say no. Is it worth $27-30 after taxes? HELL YEAH. If you like Nirvana, look or wait for a bargain.
If you're still nitpicking...
Find a boot called "B-Sides Themselves" - get it? Huh? Aren't puns funny?
I'm looking for it myself, but this will have all the previously released material on the box set, mastered with less compression.
First, this is a surprisingly good deal. According to the Best Buy sticker, this normally retails for $49.99. However, the week it came out, every store had this on sale. Before taxes, Circuit City was something like $35, Best Buy was $40 with most packages coming with a $5 Best Buy gift card inside. Better yet, Target had it for $28.
The best way to buy this? Find a Target ad and go to either Circuit City or Best Buy and do a price match. Both not only match the price, but give 10% of the difference. Circuit City's registers automatically include the 10% difference in a price match, making it very easy.
Best Buy was a little more complicated. When you do a price match there, the cashier basically selects 'price match' on their register screens, but for some reason, they don't include the 10% difference. Every time I tell this to the cashier, they either say there is no 10% price difference deduction or have a blank look, so what you have to do is point to the big, grey policy signs on the walls or the smaller ones attached to the front of the register, at which point they usually say, "Oh, they say that?"
To further complicate matters, at Best Buy the $5 gift card factors into the price match deal, but if you find a box set without the gift card sticker, it won't have the gift card so you don't have to deal with it. After a week, it seems like all the box sets with the gift cards are long gone, thanks to the Friday shopping frenzy, but a few may remain.
For now, all this is a moot point because this was last week's sale prices, but it's good to keep in mind for future deals on other products.
Box set details and review
Three CD's each timing about 71 minutes. One DVD.
CD's were mastered by Bob Ludwig, DVD by someone else and some other place, and you can sum it all up with one word: loud. Even the DVD is loud, possibly the loudest DVD I've ever heard. Usually when I switch from a TV broadcast to a DVD of a movie, I have to jack up the volume. With the Nirvana DVD, I turned it down to a very low setting.
The CD's are pretty loud, just like the black Nirvana compilation CD that came out in 2002, also mastered by Bob Ludwig. Too bad the Blew Ep version of "Been A Son" and the finished version of "You Know You're Right" were left off the box set. They would've fit. So basically that mediocre single disc compilation is the only in-print CD that has those two tracks.
A lot of tracks came from subpar resources, like crappy cassettes, the kind you buy in any drug store, but they still sound fine. Someone mentioned that the brief but big dropout on "Opinion" isn't on the boots. That's too bad, but it's a really brief dropout so not the end of the world.
At least some of these tracks are remixes. The lighter sound on "Oh, The Guilt" is mixed out completely.
The DVD info in the booklet has a bunch of typo, but you should be able to make out what's wrong.
The tracklisting printed on the back matches the press release and booklet, and there are a few mistakes. "I Hate Myself and I Want To Die" is listed as a 'B-side,' and in the booklet's timeline of recordings and sessions - they highlight the songs that are on the box set - they say the version on the box set is the one Steve Albini produced and previously released on "The Beavis & Butthead Experience." Not true. They actually use an earlier, rougher, longer version produced by someone else. I don't know if this is a mistake in picking the wrong version or just identifying it incorrectly, but it's no big deal because this earlier version is previously unreleased. The Beavis & Butthead/Steve Albini/previously released version can be found on that "Beavis & Butthead" CD which is out-of-print but easy to find for $1 or $2 at any on-line retailer selling used discs.
"Sappy" aka "Verse Chorus Verse" is marked previously unreleased. It is not, it's the same version found as the final hidden track on "No Alternative" except with a small extra dose of compression.
Packaging is neat, with the metal plate cover, but the digipak holders are death-grip holders, the worst I've seen. They SUCK. Be careful not to crack your discs when you take them out.
The booklet sucks. I like the new photos, the time-line is nice and complete, but everyone I know hates the two essays, and they're right. One exec some local rock critics know but won't name told them well in advance, "I wish these liner notes were better." You basically have Moore's disappointing essay that is occasionally self-serving, and then you have the crappy essay by a former NY Times critic. The NY Times have had great critics like the late Robert Palmer and the current editor, John Swenson, is pretty good. This guy, though, is probably their worst. He's written sleazy tell-all books that are more tabloid trash than rock history. He spent a lot of time with Courtney before writing these hack notes.
Some people were curious about the inclusion of "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Bassist Kris Novoselic did several radio talk shows a year or two ago, talking about a tape he had of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" that was an earlier mix. He loved it, talking about the feedback that was left up instead of mixed down, and how it was raunchier with much less arena-rock sheen. He said he wanted to put it on the box set if it ever saw the light of day. We finally got the set, and that's what's on there.
The DVD's more historical artifact than a definitive live video portrait a la the Led Zeppelin DVD. Not the best live performances, often ragged, but it's a REALLY, REALLY COOL historical artifact. You see an early Nirvana performing "About a Girl" in someone's house, supposedly in 1988 even though the camcorder says 1/1/87. You see them perform in dives and small clubs that most people who bought "Nevermind" would NEVER frequent, and you see them perform a thrash-punk sounding version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for the first time ever in public, and everyone in the crowd really starts bopping along with the music. There's a few clips of them after they get big, and them making jokes about how they've become a corporate band.
In terms of content, with the exception of the DVD, this is like Springsteen's "Tracks," the Beatles Anthology, or Dylan's "Bootleg Series." Studio rarities, demos, outtakes, etc. The quality is surprisingly high in terms of music, and because this is a band with a small history, this is very close to being complete. I could see two maybe three more discs of non-Lp material that one could want, and that would include the official release "Incesticide," but with this box set, unless you're a diehard collector who needs everything, I can't see a person needing anymore studio bootleg material.
Is it worth $50? For most, I'd say no. Is it worth $27-30 after taxes? HELL YEAH. If you like Nirvana, look or wait for a bargain.
If you're still nitpicking...
Find a boot called "B-Sides Themselves" - get it? Huh? Aren't puns funny?
I'm looking for it myself, but this will have all the previously released material on the box set, mastered with less compression.