Oh jesus

Xenu · Postby **Xenu** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:23 pm

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... adid=23717

To quote:

Just received my nice UK CD Singles box--nice complement to my US EP CD box. Thanks to this forum for turning me onto these items. Got the UK box (sealed) for $113.00, including shipping. It as 110 pounds new when I was in London this summer.

I decided to do an A/B on the some of the (mostly early) tracks that are common to the two sets. I played Please Please Me, Love Me Do and I Feel Fine. Guess what? The UK versions sound better. I was surprised because SH has said that both sets use the same tapes, so it could just be mastering differences between the US-pressed CD's and the UK-pressed ones. And, yes, by the way, each and every UK CD says "Made In UK" on it.
Each CD EP has the Capitol logo on it, as does the box.

Firstly: both sets do NOT use the same tapes. The EP Collection set generally uses slightly better sources. However, on two of the songs he mentions--Love Me Do and Please Please Me--the Singles set uses the same chewed-up mastering that shows up on the PPME album, whereas the EP Collection uses the "fixed" versions that later showed up on the Red CD (along with She Loves You and others).

So he's, like, totally wrong.

But I can't say that because I'm banned and dangerous!

Postby **lukpac** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 11:32 pm

I've just learned to accept that said forum has basically turned into a giant melting pot of misinformation. It's like we've come full circle - it used to be that many people assumed Japanese versions were better/best. Then that seemed to be debunked - what was good was good, it didn't matter where it came from. Now it seems like we're seeing a lot more of "well, this is a Japanese pressing, it's the best!" Substitute Japanese with "DCC", "MFSL", "UDI", "UK", "analog", "tube", etc.

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:04 am

Here's a handy guide:

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Good:                                   Bad:

DCC                                     Rhino               
tube                                    solid state
analog                                  digital
UDI                                     UDII
flat transfer                           equalization
target CDs                              Capitol LPs
hiss                                    NR
murk                                    brightness
goosh                                   graininess
dynamics                                "buzz cut"/ear bleeding COMPRESSION
air                                     Nyquist theorem
breath of life                          "mid-range suckout"
first pressing                          new remaster
Shure                                   direct drive
green dental floss                      white dental floss
Tom Port recommended                    microwave ovens
the "good old days"                     anything from the last 20 years
Stepford-wife civility                  nonconformity
smilies                                 smiley EQ
the sixties                             feminism
the seventies                           disco
the Beatles                             Yoko Ono
any artist ever mastered by Steve       rap
identical CDs that sound different      scientific method

Mike Hunte · Postby **Mike Hunte** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:34 am

Rspaight wrote:Here's a handy guide:

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Bad: Yoko Ono

I like "Don't Worry Kyoko." It makes me cry.

Xenu · Postby **Xenu** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:11 am

It just really bothers me. This is serious misinformation. Anybody feel like posting this over there?

RYAN?

Ron · Postby **Ron** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:03 am

Rspaight wrote:Good: Tom Port recommended

Bad: microwave ovens

Very clever list, Ryan. The above, in particular, made me laugh--but does it have some sort of meaning that I'm unaware of?

thomh · Postby **thomh** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:45 am

Ron wrote:
Rspaight wrote:Good: Tom Port recommended

Bad: microwave ovens

Very clever list, Ryan. The above, in particular, made me laugh--but does it have some sort of meaning that I'm unaware of?

Try the following test (courtesy of Mr. Port): While your hi-fi is playing your favorite music, have your significant other or a friend pull the plug on the microwave and marvel at the difference it makes to the sound flowing out of your speakers.

What, you say, no difference? Try pulling the plug on your amp. Tell me what you hear.

Postby **lukpac** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:59 am

Rspaight wrote:Here's a handy guide:

Such a list is useless without "(ear bleeding) COMPRESSION" in the "bad" column.

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:31 am

Anybody feel like posting this over there?

Actually, it looks like Michael (!) has stepped in to be the voice of reason. Wow.

does it have some sort of meaning that I'm unaware of?

What Thom said.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... #post22516

Such a list is useless without "(ear bleeding) COMPRESSION" in the "bad" column.

Better?

Ryan

MK · Postby MK » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:50 pm

Shit, page after page, it's a bunch of baby boomers stuck in the past. Don't get me wrong, I love all music, I listen to anything from any era, but I'm not going to pay a boatload of money to see a Simon & Garfunkel nostalgia fest where they just go through the motions. That and cling on to the same anti-rap shit that's floated around since the Reagan era.

Even worse is someone who complains about today's music, only to praise how great Paul McCartney's latest disappointing album was. "Yeah, OutKast sucks! I don't listen to them, I just hate rap! All new music sucks! Nirvana, too, even if they broke up in 1994, but I'm decades behind, so it's new to me! Hey look! A new album from a once-great legend who's way past his prime! Ooo! And another Eagles reunion! That's worth my $100!"

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:53 pm

Good: green dental floss

Bad: white dental floss

IIRC. Once again, Ryan, can you find the relevant post? I can't search, so I'm out.

Ron · Postby **Ron** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:17 pm

thomh wrote:
Ron wrote:
Rspaight wrote:Good: Tom Port recommended

Bad: microwave ovens

Very clever list, Ryan. The above, in particular, made me laugh--but does it have some sort of meaning that I'm unaware of?

Try the following test (courtesy of Mr. Port): While your hi-fi is playing your favorite music, have your significant other or a friend pull the plug on the microwave and marvel at the difference it makes to the sound flowing out of your speakers.

What, you say, no difference? Try pulling the plug on your amp. Tell me what you hear.

Well, I did as you recommended. Heard no change when I unplugged the micro, but whoooaaah. You're right about unplugging the amp!

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:02 pm

Well, I did as you recommended. Heard no change when I unplugged the micro, but whoooaaah. You're right about unplugging the amp!

I find that it reduces the noise floor.

Good: green dental floss

Bad: white dental floss

IIRC. Once again, Ryan, can you find the relevant post? I can't search, so I'm out.

Ryan the Wonder Ferret says:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... #post50364

That's weird. It's gotta be a joke, right? Right? Wow.

Ryan

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 5:06 pm

Damn, I'm psychic. Check this thread:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... adid=23836

Steve sez he hates:

Almost every teen video I've seen in the last 20 years.

Above, I put in the "bad" column:

anything from the last 20 years

Q.E.D.

Ryan

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 7:50 pm

Rspaight wrote:Q.E.D.

http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/2352.html