Pink Floyd with Waters to play at Live8

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Pink Floyd with Waters to play at Live8

Postby Beatlesfan03 » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:51 am

From a source a bit more reputable than Joe's Pink Floyd site.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen ... 085484.stm

Have to admit the rumors were pretty strong about this happening even after both sides denied it. There's still 20 days for both parties to change their mind. :wink:

EDIT - and confirmed:

http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/
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Postby MK » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:58 pm

Could be really bad or really good, but I'm betting on the latter. Possible one-shot deal and Waters has never pandered, at least not to my knowledge.

Kind of reminds me of "The Wall" at Berlin, and how that happened (Waters' keeping his 'promise' that he'll play the album in its entirety when the Berlin Wall comes down) - another one-shot deal, I think it was also a charity event, or at least became one when it was given to PBS.
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Postby krabapple » Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:39 am

MK wrote:Could be really bad or really good, but I'm betting on the latter. Possible one-shot deal and Waters has never pandered, at least not to my knowledge.



Depends on how much they rehearse. (I'd hate for it to turn out to be a Led Zeppelin fiasco.)

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at *those* rehearsals.

I don't expect it will be more than a one-shot.
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Postby dudelsack » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:49 pm

krabapple wrote:
MK wrote:Could be really bad or really good, but I'm betting on the latter. Possible one-shot deal and Waters has never pandered, at least not to my knowledge.



Depends on how much they rehearse. (I'd hate for it to turn out to be a Led Zeppelin fiasco.)

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at *those* rehearsals.

I don't expect it will be more than a one-shot.


The thing they have going for them is that a ton of the backup musicians they'll likely use have been with both Waters' touring band and Gilmour-Floyd's support apparatus.

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Postby Beatlesfan03 » Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:03 pm

dudelsack wrote:
krabapple wrote:
MK wrote:Could be really bad or really good, but I'm betting on the latter. Possible one-shot deal and Waters has never pandered, at least not to my knowledge.



Depends on how much they rehearse. (I'd hate for it to turn out to be a Led Zeppelin fiasco.)

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at *those* rehearsals.

I don't expect it will be more than a one-shot.


The thing they have going for them is that a ton of the backup musicians they'll likely use have been with both Waters' touring band and Gilmour-Floyd's support apparatus.


Good point. Jon Carin will probably be there since he's played with both Gilmour's Floyd and Waters.

Possibly Andy Fairweather-Low and maybe a 2nd drummer?

Although it would be all the sweeter if it were just the four of them if this was indeed to be their swan song.

Brain Damage today adds Waters comments.

Roger Waters wrote:"It's great to be asked to help Bob raise public awareness on the issues of third world debt and poverty.

"The cynics will scoff, screw 'em!

"Also, to be given the opportunity to put the band back together, even if it's only for a few numbers, is a big bonus."


Sounds like a one off here, but this isn't exactly the forum to say "Hey, let's do a huge world tour either."

If say anything were to come of this, it would have to be next year since "Ca Ira" is due soon. Waters was planning to tour the states next year I believe.
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:06 am

Is this going to be broadcast in the States?

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Postby Beatlesfan03 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:39 pm

I'm guessing yes, where I don't know.

I do know AOL is streaming the whole concert. I certainly hope that's not the only option.

I wonder if BBC America will carry any of it? Though you'd only be reaching satellite and digital cable viewers.
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Postby MK » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:54 pm

It's a charity event, so chances are, they'll at least tape it/record it and sell it on DVD and CD. Believe me, they'll NEED the revenue to save face.

BTW, for the record, I love these kind of events - even when they're bloated, pompous, or syrupy, anything that raises millions for charity is worth it. UNFORTUNATELY, these things have a BAD habit of doing jack, with a bunch of celebs patting themselves on the back, people feeling good that something was done for the world, when little has actually changed. Remember Concert For Bangla Desh? Every once in awhile there's a report on warlords, dictators, etc. who intercept aid money to their people, and it goes without saying, no warlord's gonna keep his hands off a load of cash just because Bono raised it:

Ethiopia 20 years on from Live Aid: Did we make a difference?
By Meera Selva in Addis Ababa
Jun 1, 2005, 11:02

Four million Ethiopians are dependent on food aid, HIV/Aids is rife and life expectancy is just 42 years. But there are signs of change in a proud and independent land.

01 June 2005

Dabotsa Deselega has walked for miles in the cool, thin air of the Ethiopian highlands to tell her story. Each step is painful; her blistered and callused feet poke through torn sandals and although she is only 45, she is bent almost double in a perpetual stoop after a lifetime of carrying firewood.

"I try so hard to feed my children. I buy sacks of potatoes and carry them to another market where I can sell them for a little more; my husband stays in Addis [Ababa] weaving clothes and only comes home once a year," she explains.

Those children peer out at the world from behind her skirts, with the hungry eyes that seem to always be filling our television screens. "We work, work and work, but still there is not enough and they go hungry," Deselega says.

Twenty years ago the Irish singer and political activist Bob Geldof organised the biggest concert in history to help people like Deselega. The famine that had struck Ethiopia in 1984 killed half a million: those in the northern highlands starved under the unrelenting gaze of the Marxist military dictator Haile-Mariam Mengistu.

His military junta, known as the Derg, launched the red terror as Mengistu hijacked the revolution to target his political opponents. He was determined to crush rebel movements in the north of the country, so he cut off food to the civilians. When the rains failed, they could not grow their own food and the famine began.

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This month Ethiopia held multi-party elections. A massive turnout of voters gave an unexpected shot in the arm to the country's shaky democracy. The provisional result appears to have given the opposition party a record number of seats and while the elections were not completely free and fair - there are still allegations of vote-rigging and electoral fraud - the opposition's success does indicate growing levels of democracy.

Ethiopians also take great pride in the fact that the nascent African Union is based in Addis Ababa and that the Italian government has finally returned an obelisk to its home in Axum. In February, thousands of reggae fans descended on Ethiopia to celebrate the 60th anniversary of Bob Marley's birth amidst lofty words about African empowerment and Ethiopia's renaissance.

But on lower plains, Deselega and thousands like her are still hungry. In the streets of the capital, Addis Ababa, beggars crippled with polio drag themselves up to the new rich in their overheated cars stuck in traffic jams and plead for alms. In the countryside people are quieter, but they still live in poverty.

Four million still receive food aid, and almost half of Ethiopia's babies are still malnourished. The rains failed for three consecutive years from 1997 and the country entered the new millennium by once again filling television screens with harrowing images of famine victims.

By 2003, 14 million people faced starvation. Ethiopia had to receive 1.44 million tonnes of food to avert another disaster. And if famine does not kill them, disease will - Ethiopia has the third-largest number of people living with HIV/Aids in the world and life expectancy is just 42 years.

Asked if they have heard about Live Aid or Bob Geldof, most people in the countryside look blank. Darote Wantella, who was 20 when Live Aid powered her country into the consciousness of the Western world, has only a vague recollection. "Someone helped us once I think, but they did not stay and now the land is more tired than it was. I don't think it can feed us much more," she says.

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The government now offers incentives and warnings, but many people still feel they are being coerced into moving away from their ancestral homes in the highlands.

To make things worse, the famine hit the north, which has been worst affected by the vicious, prolonged and expensive border war with neighbour ing Eritrea. The leaders of both countries fought together to overthrow the Derg regime, but began squabbling over the border town of Badme in 1998.

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Postby MK » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:03 pm

Actually that may be a good Onion article: Live Aid donates millions to local warlord...or something like that.
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