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Rolling Stones: Hot Rocks 1 (London)
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:27 pm
by JWB
Luke -
Your page says that the 02 matrix with the banner is good and the 03 matrix without the banner is bad.
What about a 01 matrix without a banner?
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:31 pm
by Xenu
I've never seen one without the banner that's been the "good" version.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:45 pm
by JWB
I guess I'll pass then.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:33 pm
by dudelsack
01? I think I've got the 01 version and it sounds good, but I don't know what to make of the packaging...
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:51 pm
by Ess Ay Cee Dee
nt
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:19 pm
by lukpac
The fade-ups, yeah.
I don't *think* the Japanese version is quite a digital clone, but it doesn't have the fade-ups.
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:34 pm
by Ess Ay Cee Dee
nt
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:57 pm
by lukpac
My *guess* is it was "remastered" using an in-house system of Polygram's of some sort. The Polydor Who's Next has the same problem. Apparently somebody thought that was a good idea.
It's really bad on Satisfaction, IIRC.
No idea why it wasn't done for all the CDs.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:26 am
by Andreas
Ruby Tuesday also fades out to a very low volume early on the "bad" CD. (The total length is the same.)
My "good" CD looks like that:
http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_hotrocks1.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_hotrocks1_b.jpg
(Actually there is "BA 900" printed on the back cover of my CD, contrary to this picture.)
http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_london_logo_old.jpg
My "bad" CD has no "digitally remastered" banner, the track lengths are listed on the back cover, and the logo looks like this on the disc:
http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_london_logo_new.jpg
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:03 am
by dudelsack
Mine looks just like Andreas'. 01 matrix. I have a Japanese copy, POCD-1927, that appears to have all the same funky stereo tracks as the 01 matrix West German does. Don't know if it's a digital clone (I had assumed so).
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:21 am
by lukpac
As linked in the FAQ, this is the best source I've seen:
http://home.arcor.de/folon2/stones_london_cds.html
I (still!) don't have a "Digitally Remastered" HR1, just a POCD version. I *do* have both a "Digitially Remastered" Aftermath (albeit a CD-R) and a Japanese P25L version (which is actually identical to the P33L - the matrix info actually says P33L). Those are slightly different. IIRC, the hiss on the German one doesn't fade between tracks, or there's more of it, or something, while it does on the Japanese. I think the levels might be ever so slightly different too - it's been a while.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:45 pm
by Xenu
They're still derived from each other, though: I'm pretty sure I tested that way back when.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:11 pm
by dudelsack
That would make sense, I don't know where else they would have come up with the wierd stereo stuff.
At some point I'll have to FLAC my collection of 01 matrices/banner discs. I heard that it varies from title to title if the MoFi mastering was retained on later pressings. Not sure if I can FLAC my HR1, though, given how absolutely beat up it is.
The only later pressing I have experience with was Between the Buttons...the sans serif London logo disc sounded the same as the serif (older) one with a banner.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:58 pm
by JWB
So are "Aftermath" and "Between The Buttons" the same on all pressings of the West German and French discs? I have a West German 4th pressing of "Buttons" and a French 2nd pressing of "Aftermath".
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:10 am
by Xenu
I think. Some tracks I ABed were the same. The fade-ups only affected some discs.
