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The Who - By Numbers
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:14 pm
by Mike Hunte
What's the best version on CD?
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:04 am
by Leppo
I like the original MCA.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:07 am
by lukpac
Anyone heard the Polydor?
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:12 am
by Leppo
I have not, Luke. Does the mastering differ from the original MCA?
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:18 am
by lukpac
I don't know. Hence my question.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:34 am
by dudelsack
I came within about a minute and a half of buying the original Polydor when I was in Europe the last time. Guess I should have splurged...
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 2:14 pm
by Xenu
I have the Polydor, but no MCA.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:21 pm
by Leppo
Xenu, what peak levels does EAC display for the Polydor?
Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 1:05 am
by Xenu
I hate EAC logs.
I just have a CDR of it here. I don't think I did anything weird to it. Gimme a few and I'll check.
-D
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:17 pm
by Xenu
EAC extraction logfile from 4. May 2005, 18:56 for CD
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : _NEC NR-7800A Adapter: 1 ID: 1
Read mode : Secure with C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 685
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface
Track 1
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(01) Unknown Artist - Track01.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 5FD02D6D
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(02) Unknown Artist - Track02.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC B4B61C18
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(03) Unknown Artist - Track03.wav
Peak level 86.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC A6E4CCED
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(04) Unknown Artist - Track04.wav
Peak level 84.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 3EA8B220
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(05) Unknown Artist - Track05.wav
Peak level 90.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 46737B91
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(06) Unknown Artist - Track06.wav
Peak level 97.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC ECAE6A5C
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(07) Unknown Artist - Track07.wav
Peak level 80.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 2B953EB5
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(08) Unknown Artist - Track08.wav
Peak level 49.8 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 48122C11
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(09) Unknown Artist - Track09.wav
Peak level 84.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 3F53E50C
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename D:\temp\nutmeg\wbntemp\(10) Unknown Artist - Track10.wav
Peak level 81.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC B56287AE
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:13 pm
by Leppo
The Polydor and original MCA appear to have the same mastering:
EAC extraction logfile from 4. May 2005, 23:45 for CD
The Who / By Numbers MCA Japan
Used drive : QSI CDRW/DVD SBW-242 Adapter: 0 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Combined read/write offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Track 1
Filename C:\By Numbers\Track01.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 2CD7337F
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Track02.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC C2949C07
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Track03.wav
Peak level 86.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC A6E4CCED
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Track04.wav
Peak level 84.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 3EA8B220
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Track05.wav
Peak level 90.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 46737B91
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Track06.wav
Peak level 97.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC ECAE6A5C
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Track07.wav
Peak level 80.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 0DA24EF6
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Track08.wav
Peak level 49.8 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 39229082
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Track09.wav
Peak level 84.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 3F53E50C
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Track10.wav
Peak level 81.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC B56287AE
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:21 am
by Xenu
God, I hate Fang. Now, of course, I have to wonder about Who Are You?
That said, at least the Polydors generally *look* nicer than the MCAs. I wasn't even aware that some of the MCA CDs ever had full artwork until I stumbled across an MCA Who Are You with some back cover artwork a few weeks back (I would've grabbed it had it not been $7.99).
So Odds and Sods, Quad and WBN seem to have at least one pressing that matches. Odd that the only one I ever directly compared--The Who Sell Out--was distinctly different, as is A Quick One, obviously. Why would a different approach be taken with the 60s material? It's all the same label!
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:05 am
by JWB
David -
You should REALLY start a website that CORRECTLY documents these different CD pressings. Call it the "White Fang is a moron" website or "a REAL audiophile's guide to The Who".
I have the current Canadian CD's of WBN and WAY if you want to compare those too....
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:44 am
by Xenu
Right now, I just don't have time...let's wait 'til I graduate, kay? I mean, I barely have enough time to keep up with the Zappa site.
I'd be even more happy to do it if I weren't doing it alone!
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:38 am
by lukpac
Who's Next is certainly different too.
Ryan already sent me a whole load of CD-Rs. I suppose some type of test is in order sometime.