Sterling Sound remastering US Beatles albums

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Postby czeskleba » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:27 pm

lukpac wrote:So what the hell? Anyone here have the US versions handy? I don't.


It's been years since I listened to Meet the Beatles, but I sure remember it as having more echo than With the Beatles. Spizer is claiming it doesn't? I'll have to dig out my copy over the weekend I guess and compare.

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Postby lukpac » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:57 pm

He says the *only* album of the 4 with added echo is Second Album.

I only have Something New, and from a boot that may or may not have come from a Capitol LP, so who knows.
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Postby lukpac » Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:30 pm

Amazon is $49.99 w/ free shipping, while Best Buy is $44.99 (w/ tax in store, or $1.25 shipping).

I've got a gift card and some Reward Zone certificates to blow...
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Postby Xenu » Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:14 pm

Gah. Nobody has this yet?

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Postby lukpac » Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:26 pm

TUESDAY. BUY IT.
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Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:28 pm

WhosgotitWhosgotitWhosgotitWhosgotitWhosgotitWhosgotit?????????????????
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Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:34 pm

Somebody over on SH.tv posted a few clips:

http://stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost. ... tcount=130
posieflump wrote:These are direct mp3s, ripped and edited using Adobe Audition, encoded at 320kbps discrete stereo. (For the trigger-happy, give them a few minutes to finish uploading. I'll leave them up for a day or so.) Each file is approx 1.5MB, +/-40 seconds.

From "Meet The Beatles":
I Saw Her Standing There, mono fb stereo
http://web.onetel.com/~mafenton/standing.mp3

From "The Beatles' Second Album":
I Call Your Name, stereo fb mono
http://web.onetel.com/~mafenton/name.mp3

From "Something New":
When I Get Home, mono fb stereo
http://web.onetel.com/~mafenton/home.mp3

And from "Beatles '65":
I'm A Loser, mono fb stereo
http://web.onetel.com/~mafenton/loser.mp3

Hope this helps without contravening any rules,

Mart.


Not too bad, although the EQ seems a tad midrange heavy, at least compared to my vinyl dub (of I'm A Loser, anyway).

Luckily it seems Spizer was right about the echo - of the clips posted, I'm only hearing it on I Call Your Name. Still don't know what Capitol thought that was a good idea.
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Postby Matt » Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:01 pm

Although I am listening on crappy headphones at work, this is better than I expected. The detail of Lennon's guitar on the stereo version of "Till There Was You" stood out to me.
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Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:09 pm

I'm a bit curious as to what people were/are actually expecting. Other than the echoed and Duophonic tracks, there really shouldn't be many differences from the UK versions, other than a couple of tape generations. That is to say, I think a lot of people have very *low* expectations, since these were from "Crapitol".
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Postby Rspaight » Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:55 pm

I just got a BB gift card for my birthday, so I'll use it and let someone else buy this for me. Those clips aren't half bad.

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:51 pm

This is the stupidest fucking packaging ever.

I'm not kidding.

OK, picture this: you get this slipcase that's about ten inches high. So it can't possibly fit into any sane CD shelving system. Usually, when such a form factor is deployed (I love the word "deployed"), it's to accomodate an oversize booklet. Is that the case? Heck, no!

When you pull the inner contraption out of the slipcase, you are rewarded by your new CDs dumping out onto the floor. That's because the four mini-LP type sleeves are just sitting in the inner thingamabob with nothing whatsoever to keep them in place. Once loosed from the slipcase, they're free to slip the surly bonds of cardboard and make a break for it. Unless the inner whatsis is inserted into the slipcase the other way around, in which case the booklet leaps out. Genius.

The inner whatchamajigger folds into a ludicrously thick jewel-case size affair, if for some reason you want to stick it into your shelf that way. The resulting "spine," though the thickness of a double-CD case plus a single case, has nothing at all on it.

The booklet is normal-sized, and much too skinny to fit in its half of the weird origami cardboard inner structure. So Capitol thoughtfully provided two slabs of plastic glued to the inside of that half to sort of hold the book in place, though it will gleefully fall out if gravity is applied. The book itself is no great shakes. There's about five pages of totally unenlightening text from Lewisohn (those of you hoping for authoritative information on how these records differ from their UK counterparts will be sorely disappointed) followed by a bunch of boring pictures and glib quotes from the Mopped Ones. The only technical credit at all is for Ted Jensen.

The mini-LP sleeves are poorly reproduced copies of someone's old records, not the original elements. They have the duplicate mono/stereo tracklistings clumsily pasted into the original back-cover layouts, along with Compact Disc and Apple logos.

Four CD-Rs in a Ziploc baggie would have been about as good, and we might have saved a few bucks.

However, the discs themselves are surprisingly good in all their echoey, nth-generation glory. There's no NR that I can hear -- the outros are all drenched in hiss.

(Oh my God, "She's A Woman" just came on. Sweet bleeding Jeebus. This is hilariously awful. It sounds like... like... words fail me. Robert Johnson records sound better than this. Now "I Feel Fine." No wonder the kids all starting using drugs. I think I got my money's worth out of just these two tracks in comedy value. Quick check -- yep, the mono sounds the same, just folded in. Egads.)

That aside, it's all nicely done, given the limits of the sources. If the inevitable UK remasters are done to typical EMI/Apple NR/EQ specs, these may actually end up being the best official digital source for a lot of these tracks. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

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Postby Rspaight » Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:08 pm

Something New sounds especially nice.

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Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:35 pm

I'd say these are a tad on the bright side, but other than that, quite good. I would have liked a notch off of the highs and a notch more on the bottom, but for what they are, they seem pretty good.

Slow Down and Matchbox sound *amazingly* like the Past Masters versions, for better or worse. Matchbox sounds like it might have a few small dropouts, however, which would indeed indicate a different source. And I Love Her is pretty close to the Red CD too, although with more hiss (my guess it's that more due to the NR on 62-66 than the generation of tape used for Something New). Something New (stereo) also sounds amazingly like the Deluxe Something New boot. That's a good thing.

I don't hear any added echo except on Second Album, where it's annoying. Sounds like everything is coming from a high school gym. Forget I ever paid attention to those people at SH.tv.

It Won't Be Long seems pretty good on Meet The Beatles.

I'll Be Back sounds like it does on AHDN, with no added echo. This is a good thing.

So, yeah, not perfect, but nice to finally have a lot of this stuff in stereo from a tape source. Of course, after hunting down LPs and bootlegs with the stereo mixes this is a bit of an anti-climax, but hey...
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Postby RDK » Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:06 pm

Glad to hear that they didn't ruin the tapes further. I may have to get this after all, just to hear what the American versions sounded like, but I just can't get too excited over this. Reading the long review thread at SHTV is like watching some huge musical circle jerk. Aside from a small handful of posters, most are treating this like the second coming of John, dismissing even the horrible packing as a "minor inconvenience." :roll:
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Postby lukpac » Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:22 pm

The current party line is how Dexter added EQ and compression even when he didn't add echo, but I'm not so sure these that all that different from the UK versions sans a hair more tape hiss or something. I should pull Slow Down and Matchbox in to the computer for a little comparison.

I also noticed this:

kipper15 wrote:The BFS stereo record is very echo- and reverb-laden in places, but then again the original UK PPM LP is the same (certainly when compared to the drier sound of the German Die Beatles LP).


Certainly? Last time I checked there was just as much echo on DB as there was on PPM.
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