Led Zeppelin

[Beatlesfan03]

I'll take a stab, for the LZ I I think the remasters are first, the old second. LZ II is the originals first, and the remasters second. I'm still kind of on the fence about the first tracks because I couldn't tell that much of a difference.

I'll just say this for now - it isn't that simple.

I figured, but I did unofficially get 3 of the 6.

[Rspaight]

Yeah, it's a vault-clearing exercise to some extent. But I'd still rather listen to it than Coda. (Though the ITTOD outtakes on Coda are arguably superior to some of the stuff on ITTOD.)

Ryan

[Larkston Zinazpic]

I figured, but I did unofficially get 3 of the 6.

That's pretty impressive. I can't hear anything with the AC going through my cheap little Logitech speakers.


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[Chris M]

Yeah, it's a vault-clearing exercise to some extent. But I'd still rather listen to it than Coda. (Though the ITTOD outtakes on Coda are arguably superior to some of the stuff on ITTOD.)

Ryan

Agreed. How anyone can leave a track like The Rover off an album is beyond me. As Homer Simpson would say "If that's what they left out the rest must be pure gold"

[lukpac]

Good Times, Bad Times - original, remaster

You Shook Me - remaster, original

Whole Lotta Love - original, remaster

What Is And What Should Never Be - remaster, original

The Lemon Song - original, remaster

Thank You - remaster, original

I'm about 99.9% sure about that.

Make that 100%. Matches my notes.

[Dob]

Agreed. How anyone can leave a track like The Rover off an album is beyond me.

IMO, the intro of The Rover represents the epitome of the Zep "stomp." Bonham is astonishing...that track is required listening for anyone who wants to hear how "sloppy" drumming can be incredibly powerful.

[Dob]

It's all about Bonham bashing you into submission.

I love being bashed into submission by a great drummer...which is why I also love the prominent drums on the Live At Leeds remix. Listening to LAL (or PG) often leaves me feeling exhausted.

[Andreas]

I always saw Whole Lotta Love as a hardrock version of Magic Bus. The lack of chord changes, the constant rhythm, the "freak-out" middle section.

[krabapple]

I can't stand In My Time Of Dying and don't listen to it. Eleven Minutes of blues? There should be a law against that.

Bite your tongue. "In My Time Of Dying" is one of my favorite Zeppelin tracks, along with everything else on the first disc. It's all about Bonham bashing you into submission. As far as I'm concerned, Physical Graffiti is a killer album with a bonus LP (that has some fine tracks on it as well).

Ryan

The performance of In My Time of Dying on the DVD is simply stunning.

Physical Graffiti and IV are *the* two LZ albums, AFAIC...with "Presence" the dark horse in third place. The only tracks I'd delete from PG are 'Down By The Seaside' and 'Night Flight'.

[krabapple]

The thing about PG is that nearly half of the tracks are outtakes.

- Both The Rover and Houses of the Holy are outtakes from the HOTH sessions

Yep, and both are better than most of HOTH, and album I've always found to be vastly overrated.

I LOVE In My Time of Dying. When I listened to that in high school I thought the earth was going to open up and swallow me whole.

For me, 'Ten Years Gone' is the pinnacle of that album. The other long tracks sort of vie for second place....though I like 'In the Light ' especially. I'm a sucker for those grinding distorted minor-key riffs Page used to come up with (as on 'No Quarter')

[balthazar]

But I'd still rather listen to it than Coda.

Coda is actually one of the first LZ albums I heard, so I guess I have a better opinion of it than you do. Every once in a while I break it out to give it a spin. I prefer the Coda version of "I Can't Quit You, Babe" and I also enjoy "We're Gonna Groove," "Darlene," and "Ozone Baby."

[balthazar]

Bite your tongue. "In My Time Of Dying" is one of my favorite Zeppelin tracks

I LOVE In My Time of Dying. When I listened to that in high school I thought the earth was going to open up and swallow me whole.

I agree. IMTOD is one of my favorite tracks from PG. It's long, but there are few songs with as expressive a slide guitar as IMTOD.

[Andreas]

I compared the first 56 seconds of Houses Of the Holy - Track 1.

Source 1: Atlantic 7567-81529-2, Made In Germany, inner ring: 250014 SRC-01, silver CD face with black text, no colors
Source 2: 7567 19130-2 2895 383 01, West Germany, "target CD", green face with red target, .wav sample sent from Larkston Zinazpic (aka Greg).

Result: Digitally identical

[krabapple]

which reminds me, I intend to do an EQ comparison of a track or two from the old CDs vs the Marino/Page remasters...eventually. Get to the bottom of this whole 'midrange boost'/mastering for the deaf thing.

[lukpac]

Did you listen to those clips, krab?