Beatles Capitol albums vol. 2?

JWB · Postby **JWB** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:35 am

Ebbetts told me that he NEVER uses noise reduction, for what it's worth.

Postby **lukpac** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:32 am

All of the different versions are a blur - I'll have to see exactly what I have. Somebody sent me two versions a few years ago. I don't recall exactly which they were.

Whatever the case, Ebbetts still uses the MFSL vinyl, right? If I have to re-EQ something anyway, I guess I'd just prefer a tape source if possible...

JWB · Postby **JWB** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:44 am

lukpac wrote:Whatever the case, Ebbetts still uses the MFSL vinyl, right? If I have to re-EQ something anyway, I guess I'd just prefer a tape source if possible...

Ebbetts is doing the BC-13 box as we speak.

Postby **lukpac** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:50 am

Eh...maybe better, but a lot of those UK LPs still have EQ issues. Although to be fair I haven't heard that specific box.

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:08 am

I know I'm a heathen, but those Ebbetts discs are dull as dishwater, at least the monos. They're a good alternative to paying out the wazoo for mono LPs, but all the energy has been surgically extracted.

Ryan

Ess Ay Cee Dee · Postby **Ess Ay Cee Dee** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:16 am

Rspaight wrote:I know I'm a heathen

Just fondle your rosary beads and say a few Hail Lennons and Ave McCartneys. You'll be fine.

MK · Postby MK » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:32 am

To be fair, I don't bother with Ebbetts remasters from Pepper on (except for the mono mixes unavailable on CD), so I can't judge those.

Beatlesfan03 · Postby **Beatlesfan03** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:46 pm

From over at sh.tv

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showt ... hp?t=77191

Today Capitol Records issued the following statement regarding the manufacturing of "The Beatles: The Capitol Albums Vol. 2," specifically in reference to the stereo to mono mixdowns for two of the albums, "Beatles VI" and "Rubber Soul":

Some of the mono tracks from the initial manufacturing run of "The Beatles: The Capitol Albums Vol. 2" were not the original mono masters that were intended to be included on this historic re-release. The third party mastering facility incorrectly sent step down masters instead of the mono masters ordered by the label to the manufacturing plant. As soon as Capitol Records became aware of this, the correct masters were sent and the adjustment was made in another manufacturing run. Although there is no discernible difference in the sound quality in the initial run, Capitol made the adjustment for historical accuracy. Information for any consumers who wish to obtain a replacement copy (with proof of purchase) will be issued shortly.

Alexander Keith · Postby **Alexander Keith** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:51 pm

Will this mean the one with the fold-downs will be like the Biograph screw-up. Grab'em now for EBay later

$$$$$$$$$$$$

Xenu · Postby **Xenu** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:27 pm

Well, the Biograph screw up was INTERESTING. This wasn't.

Crummy Old Label Avatar · Postby **Crummy Old Label Avatar** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:50 pm

The SHites' new angle is that the Capitol statement is "an insult to audiophiles". LOL! What a wacky bunch of loonies. Bet you didn't know that.

Andreas · Postby **Andreas** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:19 am

Sorry for repeating myself, but who else thinks that this product is the most pointless release ever? I can't even begin to understand why anyone wants to have unique Capitol fold-downs of duophonic mixes on CD. Or fold-downs at all. Or duophonic at all.

There is some logic to owning the original US LPs, because they are of historical interest. But on CD???

PS: I understand that dedicated US mixes should be released in some form on CD, and that some albums on the Capitol box could sound better than the EMI CDs, e.g. the original Rubber Soul mix or the Beatles For Sale tracks because they use better mixes. But that still doesn't explain this release.

I used to defend the Beatles catalgoue on CD because they are not all bad, some of them are really good, and it was organized and logical. Not anymore.

JWB · Postby **JWB** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:09 am

This box is a nostalgia piece and nothing more. Are you guys really that fucking stupid that you can't understand this? It's not intended to be the definitive release of these tracks (aside from the unique mixes). My father and my former FROGS bandmates all prefer the US versions because they are the versions they grew up with. The thought of "Rubber Soul" not starting with "I've Just Seen A Face" or "I Feel Fine" not having tons of echo are UNTHINKABLE to them. Not everybody prefers the UK versions (or the sound of the current UK CD's), so stop being so fucking arrogant about it. It's only "pointless" to you guys.

Andreas · Postby **Andreas** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:27 am

I think it is pointless to issue fold-downs (or duophonic mixes) on CD when dedicated mono mixes (or stereo mixes) exist. It didn't make sense originally, and it doesn't makes sense now.

I am all for nostalgia, but it should not be the top priority. Most people heard Pet Sounds in duophonic originally. I don't hear that people want that one released on CD.

You said that you enjoyed the My Generation LP reissue because it uses the UK master tape. Wouldn't you agree that the very first US CD (the fake stereo version) is pointless? But yet, that's the one that is faithful to the original US LP. Should that CD be reissued?

PS: There is some misunderstanding involved in discussions like that.
Supposedly implied statement #1: "You are nuts if you buy enjoy this release. You should be ashamed of yourself if you fall for such a rip-off."
Supposedly implied statement #2: "You are nuts if you don't buy this release. You should be ashamed if you pass on it."
Many posters react as if they had to respond to #1 or #2.

Postby **lukpac** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:42 am

Andreas wrote:I think it is pointless to issue fold-downs (or duophonic mixes) on CD when dedicated mono mixes (or stereo mixes) exist. It didn't make sense originally, and it doesn't makes sense now.

The point of it is to reissue the US albums. The problem is if you start subbing in mixes, you're using things that weren't originally issued in the US. Yes, that makes the CDs not definitive, but they aren't meant to be - they're meant to be representations of what was released originally in the US.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the US track lineups, nor do I care about the fold-downs, Duophonic and reverb-laden tracks (thankfully only Second Album in stereo). However, it just happens that these sets have been a way to get a lot of previously unreleased (on CD) mixes from really good sources. Which is all I care about. I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've listened to Vol 1 out of the box, but I've pulled various tracks to re-sequence and re-EQ for my own CD-Rs.