The Dylan SACD Remasters

Postby **lukpac** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:51 pm

How does it sound?

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Sat Jun 21, 2003 9:16 pm

Here are some samples of the Marino-mastered Dream Theater track:

Glass Prison - Sample 1, 1:19
Glass Prison - Sample 2, 0:54
Glass Prison - Sample 3, 3:13

I'll post the Frisell thing later.

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 1:51 am

Here's the first 70 seconds of that Bill Frisell tune shown in the waveform:

Gimme a Holler (edit)

That may not be a good example, so I'm going to pick something from "gone, just like a train" and post it as well.

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:52 am

Lastly, one more Calbi-mastered Frisell tune, "More Blues for Los Angeles" the hidden final track on 'gone, just like a train.'

Rspaight · Postby **Rspaight** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:11 pm

Ron wrote:Ron:
Now wait just a darn minute here. I can state with about 98% certainty that I am not you. And you're willing to state for the record that you are not me. So if all that's true, then who the hell are we??

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. Goo-goo-goo-joob.

Ryan

Ron · Postby **Ron** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:45 pm

Rspaight wrote:
Ron wrote:Ron:
Now wait just a darn minute here. I can state with about 98% certainty that I am not you. And you're willing to state for the record that you are not me. So if all that's true, then who the hell are we??

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. Goo-goo-goo-joob.

Ordinarily I would take no comfort in the words of a deceased substance abuser and profaner. But somehow . . . in some undefinable way . . . the meaning of that song [that has for years eluded me] and my own current crises of identity would appear to have become as one, rendering not only the song's meaning clear but also providing me with a rare glimpse into that which has been uniquely *me* from birth: my own soul. Ron, I owe ya one.

mikenycLI · Postby **mikenycLI** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:04 pm

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look up the number.....

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 11:15 pm

More news from Roger Ford:

http://www.rdf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Remasters.htm

The Stereo Mixes

The original stereo mixes of the 1960s albums were produced for what was at that time a minority market, almost certainly without any involvement from Dylan himself. They display many faults which would not have been part of Dylan's vision when he created the albums, and have a sound quality which was constrained by early stereo vinyl technology - above all, very limited bass.

Thankfully, it seems that Sony have decided to abandon these mixes, probably in order to get the most impressive sound quality, but in some cases also because the old stereo mixdown tapes are worn out. Certainly at least three of the albums (Blonde On Blonde as noted above, plus Another Side of Bob Dylan and Bringing It All Back Home) have been remixed in stereo from the original multi-track studio masters, and with luck this will prove to be true for The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan and Highway 61 Revisited as well, in this initial batch of releases.

Sony's promotional 6-track sampler CD for the new reissue series includes one track each from Bringing It All Back Home ("Love Minus Zero / No Limit") and Blonde On Blonde ("Memphis Blues Again"). These certainly sound excellent even in regular CD mode, far better than on previous CD releases. If all the stereo remixes are to this standard then this will at least partly make up for the exclusion of the original mono mixes - see below.

mikenycLI · Postby **mikenycLI** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:48 am

"The original stereo mixes of the 1960s albums were produced for what was at that time a minority market, almost certainly without any involvement from Dylan himself. They display many faults which would not have been part of Dylan's vision when he created the albums, and have a sound quality which was constrained by early stereo vinyl technology - above all, very limited bass. "

Interestingly, your quote here, begs the question HOW are these new, SACD mixes are "improved", and all of a sudden, his official releases, "would not have been part of Dylan's vision when he created the albums" ?

Come to think of it, I haven't heard/read ANYTHING, specifically, from Dylan on this. dylan.com only lists the new releases.

ANYONE have any interviews from Dylan on these new releases ????

He is strangely silent, for someone, whose catalog is getting remastered.

Xenu · Postby **Xenu** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:05 pm

Like the Stones really had much input on either of their run-throughs? Hmph.

With the multitude of times his stuff's been remixed, the old "MESSING WITH ART" argument barely holds here, IMO. I've never been attached to the old stereo mixes, and I *really* like the new BoB, so I have high hopes for this.

It's a pity, though, that they couldn't use the insane capacity of the SACD to include, say, original stereo/remixed stereo/mono. That'd just be too easy.

mikenycLI · Postby **mikenycLI** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 2:34 pm

Xenu,

As far as I know, the only times his stuff has been remixed, has been, maybe a couple of times for cd, and maybe, maybe a couple of times for vinyl issues. After the first issue of Vinyl, it was just done to sell a music format. How does that make you feel about shelling money out for more Cd issues ?

I guess the thing is, their silence...the Stones and Dylan...means consent to all this madness, because it does come down to making money, and it's in the contract.

But the only purpose I can see here, is that it's serving SONY and their business interests, certainly not art. The artists, whether for good or bad, are established in our hearts.

Maybe Neil Young is trying to tell us something...we are all silly with this format stuff, just listen to my/the Music !

Xenu · Postby **Xenu** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:46 pm

Hah. I *never bought the originals*...^_^

Postby **lukpac** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 6:29 pm

mikenycLI wrote:Maybe Neil Young is trying to tell us something...we are all silly with this format stuff, just listen to my/the Music !

Say what? Young is the one that wouldn't put things on CD because he thought it was inferior, jumped on the HDCD bandwagon, and as of late seems to like DVD-A. I'd say he's more silly when it comes to format stuff than most people.

As far as Dylan not having input, well, like it or not, some people just don't care about their old work. It's done, in the past, etc. If I'm not mistaken, Paul Simon has essentially dismissed a lot of the S&G stuff, calling it pretentious, childish, etc. George Martin has said that he rarely listens to an album once he's finished it.

Ron · Postby **Ron** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 7:33 pm

lukpac wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Paul Simon has essentially dismissed a lot of the S&G stuff, calling it pretentious, childish, etc.

No kidding? Simon really said that? I've felt the same way but would never say so out loud [or on sh.tv] for fear of being pelted with stones.

Patrick M · Postby **Patrick M** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:14 pm

lukpac wrote:Say what? Young is the one that wouldn't put things on CD because he thought it was inferior, jumped on the HDCD bandwagon, and as of late seems to like DVD-A. I'd say he's more silly when it comes to format stuff than most people.

IIRC, Neil also said that he preferred "Mirror Ball" on vinyl.