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Postby ohnothimagen » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:02 am

Rspaight wrote:Ever since the 2002 ABKCO reboot (including Licks), all versions of "Ruby Tuesday" have been missing a harmony vocal on the chorus.

I figure the only thing changing is the distributor (even the graphics on the "Virgin" issue include ABKCO logos), so it'll be the same wrong version.

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Ess Ay Cee Dee wrote:Yeah, it's honestly not a huge deal or anything but it's quite perplexing.

Let's see, how many discs have this oddly fucked-up version? There's Between the Buttons (US version), Through the Past Darkly, Hot Rocks, Flowers, Singles Collection, the Virgin release of Forty Licks and now presumably the ABKCO release of Forty Licks.

That makes seven discs in less than three years. Had Bob Ludwig (and the roughly 200 other people involved with these reissues) never heard the song before?


Oh, wow, I never knew that. I don't think I've ever heard the "correct" version, then.

I didn't really become a Stones fan until the 2002 discs came out.
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Postby Xenu » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:33 am

Patrick M wrote:When can we expect this on Cee Dee?

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Hey, I *have* that. I went through a fairly stellar period of buying random Stones vinyl comps if they were below $5. That was one of the first. I think it's uniquely hideous. I also think it's the first place I heard the mono "We Love You."

Luke, do you still have that side-by-side Ruby Tuesday comparison MP3 lying around?
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Postby lukpac » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:58 pm

This should be it:

http://lukpac.org/mp3/samples/ruby.mp3
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Postby Xenu » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:15 am

Yep, that's it.

Stuck out like a sore thumb at the time...I knew something was different, but it took me a few listens to realize what.
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Postby ohnothimagen » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:26 am

Wow, the difference is pretty jarring. The original is much better.
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Postby Xenu » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:41 am

And yet they don't acknowledge there's a difference! It boggles the mind.
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Postby lukpac » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:25 am

The original is right, SACD version left, if it wasn't plainly obvious.
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Postby Xenu » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:14 am

Oh, it is.
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Postby dudelsack » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:28 am

Xenu wrote:Given the odd, incredibly conspicuous non-response on that issue from the official camp, I'm starting to believe that Mick or somebody didn't like the harmony vocal and requested that an alternate version (or perhaps the same-ol' version with an edited-in chorus section) take its place. The lengths ABKCO and ICE have gone to to avoid answering that question...


Spoke to an ABKCO insider about this and was led to believe that they used the alternate mix/take because they thought it 'sounded better.' I have no way of knowing if that's bullshit or truth, though, or whether that means that they're just dumb or that the original tape is degraded.
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Postby Xenu » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:16 pm

dudelsack wrote:Spoke to an ABKCO insider about this and was led to believe that they used the alternate mix/take because they thought it 'sounded better.' I have no way of knowing if that's bullshit or truth, though, or whether that means that they're just dumb or that the original tape is degraded.


Didn't you read the board FAQ? Lukpac.org has a "no coy" policy. NAME NAMES!

If the original tape was "degraded," why didn't they just pull the previous digital mastering? Same thing goes for Aftermath. If what we're hearing on the SACD is due to the original tape disintegrating between the London CD and now...well, why not just clone the London disc? It isn't as if they weren't already violating the DSD premise on a number of fronts.
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Postby dudelsack » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:06 pm

I'm not trying to be coy, sorry, but people at ABKCO get fired if they get outed as sources. If the board has a 'no coy' policy, I'll observe it.
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Postby krabapple » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:14 pm

dudelsack wrote:
Xenu wrote:Given the odd, incredibly conspicuous non-response on that issue from the official camp, I'm starting to believe that Mick or somebody didn't like the harmony vocal and requested that an alternate version (or perhaps the same-ol' version with an edited-in chorus section) take its place. The lengths ABKCO and ICE have gone to to avoid answering that question...


Spoke to an ABKCO insider about this and was led to believe that they used the alternate mix/take because they thought it 'sounded better.' I have no way of knowing if that's bullshit or truth, though, or whether that means that they're just dumb or that the original tape is degraded.


hmm... I call bullshit..unless Ludwig et al were confabulating here
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Postby krabapple » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:17 pm

btw, some pf Ludwig's peers (Bob Katz, etc) weighed in the Stones remasters here. Though mostly positive, they don't seem quite convinced that these were 'flat transfers' (nor do they get their undies in a twist about it either).
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Postby lukpac » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:58 pm

krabapple wrote:btw, some pf Ludwig's peers (Bob Katz, etc) weighed in the Stones remasters here. Though mostly positive, they don't seem quite convinced that these were 'flat transfers' (nor do they get their undies in a twist about it either).


Was there ever any suggestion they *were* flat transfers? Many are anything *but*.

I could find a number of things wrong in that thread, but not tonight.

I think one problem with the Stones discs is they suffered from really low expectations. Even though only a few of the original ABKCO discs were really horrible, they all got branded as such. And now the SACDs are wonderful, because they aren't horrible.
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Postby Xenu » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:03 am

dudelsack wrote:I'm not trying to be coy, sorry, but people at ABKCO get fired if they get outed as sources. If the board has a 'no coy' policy, I'll observe it.


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